Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3212422)

I agree that immediate family disruption will lead to a general downward trend in most people. How far back you wish to take that goes way too deep into speculation for me when you say that someone's great great great grandfather was a slave so the family was disrupted and so I can see why this person is poor/uneducated/likely to commit crimes etc. It then becomes an excuse IMHO. Tens of millions of non black families have been disrupted and we don't give them that excuse. How about the mass of Irish which came and had family disruptions? Or the Vietnamese? Or the Chinese?

I guess I can imagine some other "blacks" (are the people in the pic "black"?) would not object- but I would- and many others would. I don't use skin color to make a determination of what one person is allowed to do/not do- nor do I approve of anyone using skin color as a basis for discrimination.

We cannot influence other nations much as individuals here in the USA- but as a whole we can. We as a people need to stand up, come together, and NEVER allow people to discriminate by skin color- no matter what the good intentions are.

Originally Posted by chilcutt (Post 3212446)

Same could be said for a persons religious preference.

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3212490)

Religious affiliation/practice is a choice- skin color is not. So the same could not be said.

Besides- some religions are violent; for example Satanism is a religion which has more violent traits than Buddhism.

You should start a thread about this topic if you feel there is a valid discussion needed.

Originally Posted by chilcutt (Post 3212566)

No.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3212573)

Wouldn't expect you to. I mean,why not inject how superior the sad faith is everywhere you can instead of limited audience?

Originally Posted by chilcutt (Post 3212583)

That's not the point...the point was confirmed by MTU once he differentiated between 2 different religions...saying 1 was considered to be violent...and another not.

In essence, his response makes his words hollow when he claims everyone should stand up and speak out against discrimination based on skin color..when in fact by his own admission he is discriminateing against 1 religion based on his assumption that said is violent.

And No, I do not wish to go round and round with you for the next 10 pages...been there,,,it's a zero sum game.

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3212422)

I agree that immediate family disruption will lead to a general downward trend in most people. How far back you wish to take that goes way too deep into speculation for me when you say that someone's great great great grandfather was a slave so the family was disrupted and so I can see why this person is poor/uneducated/likely to commit crimes etc. It then becomes an excuse IMHO. Tens of millions of non black families have been disrupted and we don't give them that excuse. How about the mass of Irish which came and had family disruptions? Or the Vietnamese? Or the Chinese?

I guess I can imagine some other "blacks" (are the people in the pic "black"?) would not object- but I would- and many others would. I don't use skin color to make a determination of what one person is allowed to do/not do- nor do I approve of anyone using skin color as a basis for discrimination.

We cannot influence other nations much as individuals here in the USA- but as a whole we can. We as a people need to stand up, come together, and NEVER allow people to discriminate by skin color- no matter what the good intentions are.

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3212616)

I agree that it's not good for people to excuse their own failings, laziness, etc. on something that happened generations ago. But that doesn't mean that there isn't some effect. Irish immigrants did not have their families regularly pulled apart, with various members sent far and wide, and in that day, a family member on a farm 30 miles away may as well have been in Tasmania, particularly regarding slaves. This went on for a century or two, and the Jim Crow era was not exactly a new day in all ways.

Somehow it seems different in this setting, that is, anonymous and at some distance.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3212611)

So tell me about Buddhist violence in comparison

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3212772)

Wasn't there a ruckus in SE Asia recently in which Buddhists were attacking Muslims?

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3212422)

I agree that immediate family disruption will lead to a general downward trend in most people. How far back you wish to take that goes way too deep into speculation for me when you say that someone's great great great grandfather was a slave so the family was disrupted and so I can see why this person is poor/uneducated/likely to commit crimes etc. It then becomes an excuse IMHO. Tens of millions of non black families have been disrupted and we don't give them that excuse. How about the mass of Irish which came and had family disruptions? Or the Vietnamese? Or the Chinese?

I guess I can imagine some other "blacks" (are the people in the pic "black"?) would not object- but I would- and many others would. I don't use skin color to make a determination of what one person is allowed to do/not do- nor do I approve of anyone using skin color as a basis for discrimination.

We cannot influence other nations much as individuals here in the USA- but as a whole we can. We as a people need to stand up, come together, and NEVER allow people to discriminate by skin color- no matter what the good intentions are.

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3212922)

When you disrupt social hierarchy in families or tribes it's very hard, if not impossible to get it back.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3212655)

So when do you put all that aside and try to work towards a better future? History is rather fascinating but meaningless from the standpoint that circumstances change and using it to predict the future is a SWAG at best. Not to say your blind squirrel cannot find a nut every now and then. It matters little what put you in the hole. First action is to find a way out or make it better. Helping you only goes so far. Sure, I can open the door but if you refuse to walk thru, I cannot help you. The Japanese could pull themselves out of their hole. Remember when they made junk and were predicted to always be a junk pile? Today, if it wasn't for the Bush-Obama Bailout, What would the Big 3 be again?

Only to a person's mind which plays tricks on them often.

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3212939)

I'd say that's ongoing at this point in time. Plenty of blacks have done the bootstraps routine and are the better for it. Many others have not.

When trying to cure disease, doctors generally like to know a little about a patient's history.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3212877)

Score one for the Buddhists. How many suicide bombers again?