Atrocity in Nairobi
 

coming to a mall near you, sooner than you think.............

Terror in Kenya: Survivors reveal how gunman executed non-Muslims | Mail Online

I suppose those that say anything about this being an Islamic terrorist attack will be yelled at by the political left.

going to be hard to do that though, as an Islamic terrorist group is taking credit for it & seemingly the bastards only targeted non muslims.....

More madness: The attacks are mostly orchestrated by Sunni extremist militant groups, although some have also been claimed by the Pakistani Taliban.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/23/world/asia/pakistan-church-bombing.html?_r=0

There is a world wide religious war occuring.........

Yes. As I said before, just after 911 actually. The return of the crusades. Different format, same ****. The "war on terror" is a moronic appellation for it as terror is merely a tactic used by the enemy - radial Islamists - You might as well use as stupid a term as "the war on recconnissance" or the "war on artillery" etc.

I suspect the Kenyans may be less restrained in their response than others might be.

- Peter.

Are you the local spokeshead for al-Qaeda? Fortunately, I don't go to malls.

Why do you suppose? I haven't heard any disagreement that this event was anything else, have you? Have there been suggestions that this was a botched robbery? Disagreement about a gift return without a receipt?

no, I am not. Just my predictive analysis. Esp poigniant since 3 of the terrorists involved are from Minneapolis. MOA visit, anyone?

I don't go to malls, either, but millions of Americans do.

Lot of them go to movie theaters, supermarkets, schools, military bases, marathons . . .

Were they FROM Minneapolis i.e. born there, or just happened to live there at some point in the last 10 years? I think the Minneapolis claim came from the gunmen themselves, which immediately makes it suspect.

They have every reason to wave their little schweens around and say "look, we've recruited Americans... even if said 'Americans' were in Minneapolis on a tourist visa in 1998."

FROM... been going on for a long while. check this out:

Somali jihadists recruit in U.S., Canada, Europe - CNN.com

Make sure the Kenyans repatriate their bodies wrapped in pigskins, then.

Interestingly, a British woman who was married to one of the 7/7 bombers also seems to be involved:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/terrorism-security/2013/0923/Samantha-Lewthwaite-Is-White-Widow-behind-Kenya-mall-attack

Why would anyone suppose that given the history here in OD? Are you a Master of the obvious?

These criminals have been pretty clear about who they are. The less obvious reasons is why they are doing this.

The BBC had a story on this morning that suggested it was about money. It turns out the Kenyans ran them out of a place they had been selling charcoal for millions and millions dollars a year and they are not happy about it. So they are sending a message to Kenya that Kenya should not mess with their money.

Apparently the charcoal 'business' was mostly a front for donations from other Arab states who don't wish to be seen as directly funding terror. Sort of like the USSR when it was paying Cuba five times the going rate for sugar. Simply a business deal; not a support of a puppet. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

Anyway... It's just a theory, but it does give some purpose to the entire affair.

Yeah- don't kick us out of our money tree otherwise we will kill everyone in a mall except those that are Muslim. Not religious terrorist at all.

I hope that the Kenyans go medieval on their asses and none escape. If they're trying to send a "message" to Kenya, then they need to have a much stronger one sent back to them.

- Peter.

Oh, the Muslim thing was only a part of it.

The Quran is pretty clear about one Muslim killing another. If it is by accident then you can talk to the Iman and maybe he can intercede for you, but if you kill one and mean to do it then nothing can get you into Paradise.

Survivors say that people were confronted by the gunmen and told to recite some common Quranic verses; something every Muslim would know. Anyone who hesitated, or made some sort of smart remark like 'Are you crazy' was shot dead. Others that could rattle off the correct verses were told to hit the road.

It was during this Q & A that most of the folks were able to escape.

So yeah, religion played a part in all of this, but mostly to the extent that the killers did not want to mess up their chances of entering Paradise.

Unless the Muslims are not following the Koran, as interpreted by the Wahaabists. Then they need to be killed, too. It's a twofer.

Reckon you best cowboy up and git out there in the bushes and git you some mohammedan mo-fos.

I hate to generalize, but the muslims that were dismissed should've tried to do more for the non-muslims. What, I don't know - but it would certainly bother me if someone stormed a place to kill the non-athiests, and I just happened to be one of the folks spared simply because I'm athiest.

But they are killing more muslims than anyone else. I guess no paradise for them.

Pfffff, glad I'm not religious.

Like what? I got a gun to their head. I got enough bullets for you and I just turned you loose. You wanna stick your nose in? I'll shoot it off. Now what, stud?

You say that as though it were a bad thing. If only we could get people of religion to kill others of the same sad faith, we might actually be having a dose of chemotherapy that kills the cancer. of religion Of course, it time it could come back again but the less religious people of all stripes, the better.

Assuming it exists, are we?

No I didn't say it as it was a bad thing, I said it as a fact of the matter.

Bizarre thing to say. Sort of a hyper-partisan persecution complex. There might be help available for that. And I'm not being sarcastic.

smart ass comments won't make the reality go away, regardless of how clever you think you are. The reality is there. can you deny it?

disappointed: typically, you are much smarter than this. :(

Mall of America next?

Kenya mall attack: Up to 3 American teens from Minnesota were involved in Nairobi massacre | Mail Online

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I'm way more likely to be taken out by a bad driver on the beltway than any attack, mugging, etc.

On a side note, is it just me or does it seem like some of these groups might just be playing the religion card to give a blanket reason for any of their actions?

Would anyone notice?

Monger much? :rolleyes:

Try singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic and not think about the lyric. ;)

And do include all verses. Same with Star Spangled Banner....

This is why I prefer Irving Berlin's.

Iv'e read that the way these guy loophole their way out of it is that the folks they killed were not the right kind of Muslims, or something like that.

Sounds complicated to me. There are some Iman's that come up with the rules to suit themselves, and if the people they are teaching can't read then how are they to know if the Iman is lying?

How does the kid know whether sex with the priest is the right thing to do or not? Same thing. You swallow, pun intended, whatever the priests dish out hook, line and sinker.

Seems that the those seriously devoted to maximum self infatuation can't enjoy the top level of favor from Mohammad w/o perceiving a large body of sinners around them who must be purged for the benefits of heaven to manifest. Sort of a 'clearly we are the chosen, just look at these slugs around us . . .'

This vid displays that attitude rather graphically:

LiveLeak.com - ISIL Death Cult Kills Three Syrian Truck Drivers in Iraq after Failing the ?Are You Sunni?? Test

lovely sort, aren't they? :mad:

No, it's not the same.

Christians have the option of reading the Bible. The supernumerous translations available in pretty much every language means that unless someone can't read... they can read the Bible. (except if you're RC.. then you have the magisterium to worry about)

The Qu'ran supposedly existed in Arabic... in Heaven. Meaning that if you aren't reading it in Arabic (classical Arabic at that), then you can't really read it. You are also dependent on the Hadith to understand it. And getting through only one collection of the Hadith (like Sahih al-Bukhari) is like reading only one book, every single night... for 6 months. And then you only have only the view of one collection (there are three main ones).

Then you have Imams... and if you're Shia you have an Ayatollah, etc.

I am also what is considered to be a "mushrik". But only because Muhammed/Allah didn't know what Christians believed in the 7th century (or the 1st century for that matter).

Take a break slick...your schtick has gotten very long in the tooth.

And the drive by judgement by you isn't?

Puleeze.

By all means....continue your personal jihad.

It's hard to figure how the Sunni/Shia split became so rancorous. The Zen tradition talks about the pitfall of duality. It something I'm far from mastering, just getting my head around it is hard enough. It seems as though there is an inherent tendency in humans to break things down into us vs. them. Can certainly be seen a great deal.

FWIW, here's the first two paragraphs of the Hsin Hsin Ming, the oldest known Zen document, China, 3rd century AD:

The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised. Make the smallest distinction, however, and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart.

If you wish to see the truth then hold no opinions for or against anything. To set up what you like against what you dislike is the disease of the mind.

Hard to get your head around. I don't claim to have it mastered to any degree.

Islam is not Zen-ish.

The USA is not Zen-ish.

zen is very hard to establish in a personal reality. our minds seem to be hardwired into a primal "us or them"... most likely a gift from our neolithic ancestors. to be truly zen, one must release and just be....almost impossible, but a worthwhile goal

The only surprise is that this has not YET happened on US soil.

I am not sure that it could happen there Larry.

The actors in Kenya took advantage of committing this act in a country where Immigration/border crossing is very lax.

No way they would be able to penetrate the tight security procedures in the US/bring in their weapons etc...

As far as Blowback is concerned...Google 'White Widow'. Individuals such as this may be a cause for alarm.

Really? Look at all the christian bs over the last few centuries. Look at norther Ireleand. Look at the fundie god nuts and their anti-catholic ness in the US.

I'd say the only surprise is there is not more of it in Islam.

- Peter.