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Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Women - WikiIslam

Ah yes..translations. Dig deeper. Are they literal-honest-modified-reimagined ?

For instance. One of the translators in the text you have provided is named Abu Huraira. A poor man who filled his stomach with Mohammads words. Yet most early Muslims thought he was an idiot who wasted time narrating narratives.

So what great hadiths did Abu provide us with ?

Well...

1) That she monkeys were capable of sexual intercourse and that Abu used to go and stone them.
2) Discussed a man converting to Islam after a wolf hustled him out of one of his sheep.
And of course, the story about Moses beating the crap out of a stone which stole its clothes.

I am still not convinced by your argument. If you are convinced, then by all means believe what you want to believe.

To the OP..sorry for the distraction, I am now finished engaging/entertaining the individual who continues to take your thread topic off its intended path.

Chil~

Rather then a dispute over the translation why not take a look at the actual actions the translations provoke.

The original comment that led to this was that Guys thoughts that the Constitution and Islam OK with each other; it is clear that the present day Constitution and what I read on that site have very little if anything at all in common.

One sect likes hadiths, another sect abhors hadiths.

Some folks write metaphorically and are interpreted literally.

Sometimes that is done just to make a point.

I agree.

And, People pick the one that serves their personal needs and tells us it is Gospel.

So if I believe the worst interpretation and someone else believes the nicest interpretation; what is the reality?

IMO that is one of the most intractable questions in the human condition: Given two world views, where is reality?

I dunno. But I'll go with St Paul on that one: Unto thine own self be true.

Wonder if this had anything to do with how we got here:
Vern Jarrett, President Jarretts father.

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/upl...a09.image_.jpg

http://patdollard.com/2012/09/obama-vetting-1979-newspaper-article-by-valerie-jarrett-father-in-law-reveals-start-of-arab-purchase-of-u-s-presidency/

There was some Guy from the Taliban on TV about 4 Months ago He said "Islam is not Democracy". I agree with that.