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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3242659)

Z was the appointed neighborhood watch captain. It appears the homeowner's association had some confidence in appointing him otherwise he would not have held this position. There had been a rash of home robberies in his neighborhood committed by persons of race. In regards to TM, he was attempting to prevent crime, not commit a crime.

Individuals with criminal intent normally do not dial 911 and give the police a detailed blow-by-blow expose of an incident in progress. Z gave the police a literal road map to his exact location; a call for assistance to check out a suspicious character. In light of the previous home robberies, calling the police was the prudent thing to do. Z's mistake was not staying in his vehicle.

However, once he made the decision to call police, his job was to stand aside and let them do their job and investigate. They specifically told him not to follow TM. That said, TM had no right to double back and ambush him. They were both wrong which resulted in tragedy.

I agree with all of that, but would add that TM had no way of knowing what Zimmerman's intentions were and that I wish the 911 person had been more explicit in telling Zimmerman to back off.

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Originally Posted by Honus (Post 3242663)

I agree with all of that, but would add that TM had no way of knowing what Zimmerman's intentions were and that I wish the 911 person had been more explicit in telling Zimmerman to back off.

Now we are getting down to business. CAREFULLY listen to some recordings of 911 calls. TV shows like "Cops", etc are educational in many ways. There are no guarantees that when you dial 911 your emergency/situation will be handled in a professional COMPETENT manner.

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3242488)

No assumptions were asserted. Obviously, a bullet can travel very fast. No one is invincible except Superman and he is a fiction.

There are many areas of major cities that are to be avoided. Most of the time, one's race and sex plays into which areas should be avoided.

I forgot to add something.
What someone can do in a Gym or during training when you come up against an opponent/s that you know do not want to kill or maim you could have a far different outcome on the Street or in Combat.

Part of this is your mindset is different and the other part is the environment is different.

Physically speaking trying to do some deadly Martial Arts move on an oily or icy street in your Dress Shoes against one of more Assailants who don't care if you live or die can end up entirely different than anticipated.

I think part of the reason a Martial Artist could take down someone with a Gun pointing at them is that the Gunman as a mindset like Z might have had. He is thinking I am safe because I have a Gun, I am in control because I have a Gun, People are going to do what I tell them because I have a Gun and so on.
Also they stand too close to their Victims and in fact they may never have shot anyone before and People are actually reluctant to shoot even when they have to.
That often makes someone pointing a Gun at someone while having their mind full of conflicting thoughts and fear.

On the other end it is real bad news if the Martial Artist comes up against someone who is also a Trained Martial Artist but Trained to use His Gun. That person is going to be extremely focused and have a trained reaction; not going to be all those conflicting thoughts going on; or at least a minimum of them.

I think what is sad that when Martial Arts was not popularized as it is now there was w great deal focus on the Mental aspects of it.
An old time Martial Artist when if faced with a threat the could run away from would do that; because their Ego was in such a healthy state that to do so brought them no shame.

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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3242548)

If Trayvon would have listened to Husky's wise words he would be still alive. :rolleyes:

Blaming the Victim?
Didn't Trayvon's Father live in that area?
How did Trayvon's Father Survive there?

Also I still believe Z is responsible for lighting the Fuse.

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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3243701)

Blaming the Victim?
Didn't Trayvon's Father live in that area?
How did Trayvon's Father Survive there?

Also I still believe Z is responsible for lighting the Fuse.

Cynism doesn't always translate well on the interwebs.

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3241166)

The closest person to him in his life, his girlfriend flat out said he was looking to "whup ass". Street slang for beating someone to a pulp. Z, on the other hand, was getting his "ass whipped".

Your comments are so far removed from reality that you should really invent a new language for them.

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3241364)

Not exactly. I have a few friends who are master martial artists, one of whom is WORLD famous. None of them would have any concerns walking UNARMED in any neighborhood day or night.

Sweet Jesus.... here we go with the I-know-a-guy BS again...

Paul Simon 1980 One Trick Pony - YouTube

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Originally Posted by Dudesky (Post 3241603)

Dunno 'bout that.

Hah...Karate....Hah 357....:cool:

I'd bet they wouldn't get into that situation.

Did I ever tell you I have one of the deadliest spin backfists on the planet?

Just stand there, I'll show you...

Dudesky and Superman had a fight...
The loser had to wear their underwear on the outside of their clothes...:D

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3241672)

.... People make false allegations all the time, I don't wanna hear jaws popping, I wanna see PROOF.

HA!!!! post 32 most recently...

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3241756)

Sounds like what many of you want is vigilante "justice", rather than the rule of law.
None of that previous case is material in this new case.

Incorrect. Previous criminal history is admissible if it is directly relevant to the current charge, or can be shown to demonstrate a pattern of behavior.

In this case, I believe both prerequisites have been met.

As for vigilantism... I think that's actually what bothers his detractors the most

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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3243698)

I forgot to add something.
What someone can do in a Gym or during training when you come up against an opponent/s that you know do not want to kill or maim you could have a far different outcome on the Street or in Combat.

Part of this is your mindset is different and the other part is the environment is different.

Physically speaking trying to do some deadly Martial Arts move on an oily or icy street in your Dress Shoes against one of more Assailants who don't care if you live or die can end up entirely different than anticipated.

I think part of the reason a Martial Artist could take down someone with a Gun pointing at them is that the Gunman as a mindset like Z might have had. He is thinking I am safe because I have a Gun, I am in control because I have a Gun, People are going to do what I tell them because I have a Gun and so on.
Also they stand too close to their Victims and in fact they may never have shot anyone before and People are actually reluctant to shoot even when they have to.
That often makes someone pointing a Gun at someone while having their mind full of conflicting thoughts and fear.

On the other end it is real bad news if the Martial Artist comes up against someone who is also a Trained Martial Artist but Trained to use His Gun. That person is going to be extremely focused and have a trained reaction; not going to be all those conflicting thoughts going on; or at least a minimum of them.

I think what is sad that when Martial Arts was not popularized as it is now there was w great deal focus on the Mental aspects of it.
An old time Martial Artist when if faced with a threat the could run away from would do that; because their Ego was in such a healthy state that to do so brought them no shame.

This is how I was instructed. The best outcome of any fight is to avoid it to begin with.
This is at the crux of martial arts.
Anything else is to be just a trained fighter.

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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3243701)

Blaming the Victim?
Didn't Trayvon's Father live in that area?
How did Trayvon's Father Survive there?

Also I still believe Z is responsible for lighting the Fuse.

Looking "suspicious" isn't a crime. If Z had felt TM was a threat, he should have called it in and LEFT THE AREA IMMEDIATELY.

please mods, shut this crap down......

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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 3244806)

please mods, shut this crap down......

Haven't been down this whole Zimmerman road before? I'm was feeling some deja vu when I was trying to read through this thread..