Toby Keith's VA Eatery Says No to Guns
 

Toby Keith's New Restaurant Displays 'No Guns Permitted' Sign, Outrages Some Gun Fans

One user wrote, “That sign on the door means that I will never try your restaurant … It is a cultural thing among we Americans … It is the fact that you seek to restrict a Constitutional Right that bothers the public. This is what will cost you.”

Another user commented, “I am now ashamed to say I was ever a fan of yours [T]oby. You truly are a hypocrite.”

Well, no $13.99 Toby's Platter appetizer for you then . . .

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What about the owner's property rights? Should all comers also be allowed to hold political rallies in a restaurant without asking the owner?

Who the hell is Toby Keith? A team sports hero or something?

Yes Jim, and he's not on your lawn anymore . . . :D

Yes, he was a pretty good football player I understand. Retired from that line of work now though.

What has 14 teeth and an IQ of 80?

The first two rows at a Toby Keith Concert.

Interesting that the nutballs aren't supporting his private property rights. I guess some rights are more right than others.

Actually Keith did try pro ball before Country music

And now he's a chef.

Hardly. He occasionally shows up at the restaurant in okc, but he's not stirring pots.

Yes he is.

14 teeth and an IQ of 80? Sounds more like a teachers convention in Arizona.

Your governor is Rick Perry.

:D

Given that this "appetizer" is deadlier than most small-calibers, those cries of hypocrisy might just have some basis.

:laughing:

The most devastating emoticon of them all.

musta struck a nerve there... didja have front row seats??:D

i remember when they first opened up in az. a co worker and i stopped in one afternoon for lunch. i ended up spending $30 on two beers and lunch. never been back

it always irritates me seeing the "no guns allowed '' on the outside of any place i like to eat, but sometimes the stomach and taste buds have the final say.

Well, the owner has the right to declare if he wants guns off the place or not. Obviously the criminal will leave his gun at home and not shoot up the place since there is the sign there. We had an anti gun mayor that thought that he could stop criminals from having "Saturday Night Specials" by declaring that guns with a barrel of less than 4 inches were not permitted in Madison.

On the subject of the restaurant. I guess I am surprised. A business establishes policies designed to attract the most customers. It is that simple. If I wanted a political position in a bible thumping town, you bet I would be adopting religion way before I run. I'd have seen the light. NFW would I get elected with my stance on religion being the opiate of the masses. In my work, I have to associate with people that I would NOT want in my private life. Business is business. The values people say they stand for might not be the real deal but it is designed to attract the target audience. Back in the 80s, I knew of an attractive girl who was an escort to gay men. Why? Because they wanted to give the image of a straight man for their business functions. Does anyone think that Nationwide insurance is really on your side?

I dont see why people make a big deal of things. Dont like the policy? Dont shop there. No need to make a big deal of it.

Wonder if this'll be Toby's "Dixie Chicks" moment??

Yes, it's not like it's an Internet forum or something . . .

It may be nothing more than a "Howard Schultz moment" (Starbucks) for free advertising.

x2.

Big freaking deal. Guy doesn't want firearms in his business. I respect that, I don't want them in mine.

lock it in the car or don't bring it to dinner if you must eat there. If you don't like it, don't shop there.

Corporate chain based restaurants can stuff it

They offer consistency as opposed to mystery

...from childhood educational experiences...

lol

Ha, that statement could certainly apply for back when I used to attend church, without fail the plate for money donations gets past around the congregation.

Every single time.

It's true. One man shops might be good, might be bad. Hard to say. I know what I am getting for $X when I walk into say Olive Garden as opposed to a few places where there is a mystery. Once in a while, I might explore but when I eat, I prefer to know what I am getting. On exploration nights, I prepare enough time for myself so I can dump whatever I don't like and get myself something better should this one be a bust.

As to church, I go only when I have to and certainly don't donate except to my favorite cause. Me.

RPG's are still righteous though!:P:D

And if you travel that is a wonderful thing.

And old show biz story that is rather well known is that Bob Hope would only dine in what were once called Tea Rooms. The last one of these I was ever in was in Highland Park, Texas and it was the celebration of a woman's novel release. Very formal and high-faluatin and very, very clean.

Hope knew people who died on the road from food poisoning and he did not wish to be one of them. Not every town had a first class eating joint, so he chose Tea Rooms since they were always the cleanest place in town.

This led to rumors that Hope was Gay, but he said he would rather people think what they would about him if the only other option was to wind up dead.

Meanwhile, reality creeps in.

In Oklahoma you can carry a handgun into a place that serves booze as long as that is not the primary source of the joints income. If the place is a Bar that makes most of its' income from liquor sales bringing in a firearm is a Felony.

If you are in a business that sells food and booze and you have a handgun you cannot be served any booze of any kind. If you are caught with a handgun on you and a drink in your hand you will be subject to arrest and charged with a Felony.

Therefore if you are in a place and not able to buy beer or liquor then you are not a customer but just someone either taking up space or, at best, someone to break even on.

Businesses that hope to make a profit have to do what they can to turn that profit and allowing in customers who cannot buy from them is a poor way of doing this.

Toby Keith's VA Eatery Says No to Guns
 

And probably lackluster, processed meals like every other chain place

Yelp reviews help out a lot when deciding on which non chain based placed to go to.

Realistically, I doubt Mr. Whoranovermyhat has anything to do with the rule. He doesn't own the restaurants.

The more I read Yelp reviews, the more I'm convinced that having professionals write reviews . . . and pretty much anything of expertise, is preferable.

I only ask if the food I get tastes good enough to justify what I paid. I don't expect to get a $50 steak for the price of a McChicken or vice versa. So, for a $20 steak, it has to be so good and if I pay $10, I expect less, etc, etc. I don't care if it is processed or not processed. Do what you want but make it taste good in a blind taste test and I am good. Since I am not a food snob or a foodie, it is only taste for the price. You can serve me a processed meal or non processed but if I don't like it, it doesn't matter to me how you made it. If I want to control how it is prepared, I'll eat at home.

Depends on your taste. All Yelp does is tell you what someone thought of it. I am very finicky when it comes to taste and quite often, someone says it tastes good but I don't like it or vice versa. That kinda makes reviews a crap shoot. All they can tell me is it is clean or not. Taste is subjective

BS -- someone still has to prepare the food. But personally, I'd rather have the mystery -- makes life more interesting, that.

What they can tell you is whether THEY like it or not. They cannot say for sure if YOU will like it or it sucks.

It's supposed to be free country, meaning that Keith is free to leave his customers unprotected in the event of a nut case shooter and people are free to not darken the doors of his establishment. That's the way it works.

I hope that no one, including Keith, is so naive that they think that the sign on the front door will actually prevent a nut case shooter from bringing his shootin' iron with him.

So far I haven't been steered wrong by yelp once yet. I think its a great resource for on the road eating. Went to CA recently and yelped across the state, eating fabulously at places I never would have considered without reading other peoples reviews. The one time I was screwed was asking a local to recommend a place, and it was edible, but just barely, and the ambiance was awful.

Less variables.

When you pay me to eat and test stuff out, I'll be fine with it. I have enough puzzles in life without having to plan for a bad meal and where to go next when this place had food I don't like. Money and time. I prefer to minimize risk. So if I have 3 hours to spend, I could. 1 hour, much tougher.

No nukes, please.
 

Yeah.

Berkeley, California declared itself a "Nuclear-free zone".


when I heard that I thought to myself,

Oh gee, when the Russian bombers one day fly over Berkeley, the pilots and bombardiers are going to say,

"Uh oh, we can't drop 'em here, the sign down there says it's a "Nuclear free zone!"

It's like designating the restaurant; a shooting gallery. There's a reason why all the mass murderers have chosen firearm free fire zones to do their thing.

This is like advertising the business as; a shoot 'em up zone, just as Starbucks has done. A very dangerous place to be, IMO.

As a related aside issue.........

Keith's namesake restaurant here <in Dallas, Texas> has recently gone belly-up and closed.... I can't believe that it's because of any other reason than financial insolvency, as to the reason it did.

From watching a few episodes of that show with the angry English guy in the Ferrari, restaurants tend to be most likely to fail when the food sucks.

Edit: Gordon Ramsey. I knew I'd think of his name after I hit submit.

We get it already. You like predictable, cheap, industrial 'food" that's exactly the same from one Olive Garden to the next. It's ok. Really it is.

Ehhh I have seen some good yelp reviews for a place that was in a warzone and I wouldn't eat at without a gun.

Its hit and miss any idiot can put up anything they want.

As for Toby Keith its his property so I don't really care. He owns it so he is free to set the rules.

Secondly if he serves alcohol their in a lot of states your not allowed to carry so its a mute point in some areas.

IMHO the carry guys push it to far sometimes. We don't live in a dangerous country so you don't need your 1911 to grab a burger and a beer, sorry. Its not an area of gun rights that I feel should be pushed as hard as it is. But than again I'm not a part of the Nuthin Fancy/Sheep dog/the world is dangerous circle. I'm in the firearms are tools circle, and like any tool sometimes its good for the job other times its not.

IMHO most of the CC sheep dog guys place to much importance on one tool, and get overly excited about it. These are the same guys that when you do a real shooting course will cry about having to lay their gun down on the dirt. I have shot next to guys that would place blankets next to them so they could lay down their rifle when doing transitions, and were horrified that I would just lay my Sig rifle on the dirt.

I tried to find out how many shooting incidents have occurred at Starbucks. The ones that I could find, two, involved customers who had pistols in their handbags that accidentally discharged. One customer was shot in the leg, the other incident was a near miss.

This would not be a problem with the one outside of Tulsa. It is located in a Casino which is guarded by the Cherokee Lighthorse Police.

This is also a good spot for this type of business as about 90% of their customers are from out of town. The Casino is a resort and this place is just a part of it.

The location in Thackerville is operated by the Chickasaws. They, too, have a police force that could easily deal with any problems.

The location in Bricktown is in a popular bar and entertainment area that is always crawling with Cops and many of them work during their off hours as undercover security at the different places.

These Casinos are massive places and yet you never hear of any problems taking place inside of them. Security is everywhere. You just can't see it.

But they are watching you.