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Jim B. · #**151** 06-30-2014, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

But do we as a society show willingness to pay for it or do we just want something for nothing?

Look at the pictures and spec's of the 2014 Audi A6, BMW 535i, and Mercedes Benz e350.

Then look at the '14 Hyundai Genesis. And how many of 'em were sold.

I bet you will find your answer right there.

If you don't, go look at the sales figures for Nordstrom. Then look at those for WalMart.

Come back and then you tell *US* what you concluded about your question.

P.C. · #**152** 06-30-2014, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Look at the pictures and spec's of the 2014 Audi A6, BMW 535i, and Mercedes Benz e350.

Then look at the '14 Hyundai Genesis. And how many of 'em were sold.

I bet you will find your answer right there.

If you don't, go look at the sales figures for Nordstrom. Then look at those for WalMart.

Come back and then you tell *US* what you concluded about your question.

There are more people with less money than there are people with more money.

aklim · #**153** 06-30-2014, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Look at the pictures and spec's of the 2014 Audi A6, BMW 535i, and Mercedes Benz e350.

Then look at the '14 Hyundai Genesis. And how many of 'em were sold.

I bet you will find your answer right there.

If you don't, go look at the sales figures for Nordstrom. Then look at those for WalMart.

Come back and then you tell *US* what you concluded about your question.

Well, if I am right that we want the stores to be loyal to us and we don't pledge ourselves to them then it makes sense that the Wal*Marts, Home Depots, etc, etc will cause problems for smaller stores since they can sell for less than what the small stores can buy it for. OTOH, if I am wrong, Mom & Pop stores have nothing to fear from big box stores.

Here is what I can see. We, as a society in general, want excellent service and the salesperson to pander to us. OTOH, we cannot and/or will not be loyal to them when there is another guy that will charge us less. How many people would go buy a car (lets say all things are equal) from the salesman they like for more money than a stranger in another dealership? IOW, how many would say "I'll pay more for a Ford F150 from Joe, who sold me my last 5 cars as opposed to Mr Whoknowsyou who will throw in leather seats and $2000 more for my trade in."?

Jim B. · #**154** 07-01-2014, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Well, if I am right that we want the stores to be loyal to us and we don't pledge ourselves to them then it makes sense that the Wal*Marts, Home Depots, etc, etc will cause problems for smaller stores since they can sell for less than what the small stores can buy it for. OTOH, if I am wrong, Mom & Pop stores have nothing to fear from big box stores.

Here is what I can see. We, as a society in general, want excellent service and the salesperson to pander to us. OTOH, we cannot and/or will not be loyal to them when there is another guy that will charge us less. How many people would go buy a car (lets say all things are equal) from the salesman they like for more money than a stranger in another dealership? IOW, how many would say "I'll pay more for a Ford F150 from Joe, who sold me my last 5 cars as opposed to Mr Whoknowsyou who will throw in leather seats and $2000 more for my trade in."?

Pretty good point.

My g/f has been utterly loyal to the Jaguar dealer's salesman that sold her her last two Jaguars; and had them exclusively serviced by this dealer, which is over 200 miles away, too!

.... but now she's looking for a new 2014 one, and has run into the exact same scenario as you have described, above, but this time with me in on the negotiations with them.

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Your analysis omits the fact that in ALL cases, when buying a new or used automobile, and I have bought a lot, especially from the new car dealers (Mercedes, BMW, Subaru, Ford Mercury, Volvo ect in the past 10 years alone), it goes like this.

You make your offer, on the new car and separately and a bit later, on your trade in, and your salesman takes in the offer to the Sales manager, who you almost NEVER even get to see, and then the salesman walks it in, and come back out 10-20 minutes later either smiling or downcast-looking, and your offer is either rejected, accepted or countered. The offers and counter offers back and forth can go on for hours, with the salesman being the foot soldier through it.

Though sometimes if negotiations utterly stalemate or bog down, and the deal is about to collapse the Sales Manager will come out with his "final and last" best offer. That happened to me several times.

This can take hours! Took me all day almost - literally - in at 10am, and out at 7:30 pm to get the deal "done" at the BMW dealer last year.

And it depends on MANY things under which *YOU* have no control: Is there a sales incentive going on, did they view you as sincere, and willing to really buy that day, what is the day of the week, the weather, (perfect day would be the last day of the month, with a quota to meet and the factory looking over their shoulder, it is closing time, and it is raining, and there is a factory to dealer incentive, the model you like is a slow seller, or the unit you are looking at is a unit that hasn't moved for months, and they would love to see it gone from the lot as the flooring costs are killing them) ect. Or maybe they will feel like just this time they can "blow one out" and make it up on the next schmuck ( err, customer) that comes in.

Plus it's a sliding scale too! They can overallow on your trade, but they will make it back by stiffening on lowering the MSRP (sticker).

Or if you demand to see the factory invoice, they will finally show it, and maybe even sell the car at near that of even LOWER if it's a slow selling model; but they will "rip your head off" on your trade in and give you virtually nothing for it, ("It's no good, (or) it's too old for us, we will have to send it to a wholesale dealer auction") or many thousands of $$$ less than dealer wholesale for it, where it will astonishingly rise resplendent a week later on their used car lot.

And in every case there is a 2% or so "dealer holdback" on every new car so sometimes they can let it go even under factory invoice and not lose money.

That is the end of Part I.

It starts all over again in Part II where even cash buyers have to go and see the finance manager.

These folks will often try and sell you every available extended service and warranty plan, interior paint and wheel and windshield and seat fabric protection plan under the sun, and god knows what else, and sometimes if you want to buy just ONE plan, they won't, --instead you have to buy a "bundled" plan that includes crap you don't want and likely will never use.

And these are negotiable, same as buying the actual car, though of course most folks don't know that. Varying from dealer to cite an example, a $3200 extended warranty can be negotiated down to $1,800 at a Mercedes-Benz dealer - where I live...

And the finance manager makes HUGE commissions selling that stuff, often times FAR higher than a competent salesman can ever make.

Whole thing is exhausting for an average buyer, and worse for uninformed people, females, especially, that want a good deal.

Most people hate it - and they have to do it every 5-10 years, but the car dealer does it every day all day long.

Advantage: dealer

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This time the deal fell apart last month ...

Looks like my g/f is going to have to wait till the '15 Jaguars come out and will wait till late fall to get her car spec'd out and order it then.

She will be facing the same conundrum as described above though.

Likes the salesman and the dealer and is a loyal customer, but there are plenty more in the San Francisco bay area - all of them would love the business and might even sell one at a greater discount than her "preferred" dealer.

Her decision though.

cmac2012 · #**155** 07-01-2014, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

So what? Seems like he's withstood a fairly relentless beating up on here.

I can't blame people from moving on sometimes. At times on here, it reads sort of like bullying on a grade school playground but the perps and vics are just older. LOTS older.

I agree, it does seem petty sometimes. But . . . the focal point here dishes out low rent scorn with impunity. It's hard not to weigh in on this bit on nonsense. Indicates a profound 'not getting' of what racism is or feels like.

SwampYankee · #**156** 07-01-2014, 08:23 AM

Clear as mud.

MTUpower · #**157** 07-01-2014, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I agree, it does seem petty sometimes. But . . . the focal point here dishes out low rent scorn with impunity. It's hard not to weigh in on this bit on nonsense. Indicates a profound 'not getting' of what racism is or feels like.

No one has to "get" racism to have it happen to them. A racist act is not dependent on the actual person's skin color or any one individuals level of previous racist interactions. Why would you think they are related? If the sales person rejected the OP because of his skin color it's racism, pure and simple. It's the only question at hand here.

Jorn · #**158** 07-01-2014, 11:11 AM

And the white knight comes to the rescue...

mespe · #**159** 07-01-2014, 11:20 AM

From what you have written, I'm assuming that the realtor was there to show the property to another individual.
You can't just barge in and say, I want to look at this property right now.
Client confidentiality is important to realtors, they would not be comfortable with you in the house when they were showing it to one of their clients.

A lot of times words come out in a strange way when something unexpected happens.

Here's a prime example. I have to do community service at the Farm Park for keeping 6 chickens on the tree lawn. On Friday they told me I would be cleaning out stables and should wear long pants because the flies are really bad. (no lie).
So I showed up in a 3 piece suit, topped off with a fedora.

Here's the Video

green half acres - YouTube

This happened yesterday,,, watch the first few minutes and you can see the confusion when the unexpected happens,,,

aklim · #**160** 07-01-2014, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

If the sales person rejected the OP because of his skin color it's racism, pure and simple. It's the only question at hand here.

True but when the OP starts by barging in on a private party and there is no past evidence of prejudice, racial or any sort, it is hard to say there likely is little more than the OP getting snubbed for his rudeness while expecting his ass to be kissed because he MIGHT be interested in joining the party.

MS Fowler · #**161** 07-01-2014, 01:53 PM

This thread reminds me of a time I was in a Denny's right after they had a racial discrimination settlement.
My wife and I were seated. Then nothing
About 15 minutes later a couple of black women were seated near us.
Still no service.
About 3 or 4 minutes after they had been seated, the black women were claiming racial discrimination.
I stood up, told them we had been there almost 20 minutes and we tired of being ignored, and we left.
Sometimes racism is ONLY in the eye of the beholder---sometimes its just bad service.

cmbdiesel · #**162** 07-01-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

No one has to "get" racism to have it happen to them. A racist act is not dependent on the actual person's skin color or any one individuals level of previous racist interactions. Why would you think they are related? If the sales person rejected the OP because of his skin color it's racism, pure and simple. It's the only question at hand here.

What if his skin color were purple, brown and red...??
Couldn't the salesman reject the OP because they didn't wish to contract a possibly communicative disease...??

P.C. · #**163** 07-01-2014, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

True but when the OP starts by barging in on a private party and there is no past evidence of prejudice, racial or any sort, it is hard to say there likely is little more than the OP getting snubbed for his rudeness while expecting his ass to be kissed because he MIGHT be interested in joining the party.

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