Going to take Bagdad next?

[barry12345]

I am starting to think that some major power is going to have to put physical troops on the ground almost right now. Once they take places like Bagdad will require a far more major effort. That they are currently getting set up to take Bagdad as well is known.

My honest guess is that outsiders just do not know what to do with the situation. I also suspect they are waiting for some serious act as justification to change what has been said so far.

No boots on the ground is just an expression. The rebels or whatever soon will have stabilized their northern flank. This will free up a sizable proportion of their manpower and equipment that I suspect may be still growing daily much faster than their losses. Actually the use of air power may have changed their stratagy. Only operations in highly populated areas are going to become the norm. Air power is far less effective to not of any effect worth mentioning when they do.

If a sizable force is not sent there right away. It will in all likelihood become far worse and harder to deal with. Every day counts to avoid house to house and street to street fighting situations with higher military and civilian losses. The fact is air power application is doing exactly what I felt it must do from a logical perspective. No group is going to stay in an exposed position on open territory to fall easy casualties from air attack.

It may have made the situation much worse already. They have been forced to take the cities now. It will become harder and harder and a lot more expensive in many ways to beat them down the longer the time frame is. There is too much mounting evidence that since the first major issues in the middle east almost all decisions of a military nature have been micro managed from a political position. This is somewhat different from the distant past where politicians set the desired end point and the military where given a semi hands off position to achieve it.

I am not for wars. Still if they are a necessity call them what they are and deal with it the cheapest way possible in money and manpower losses. Not pretend it is not a war basically. Personally I am a little suprised air power had not at least slowed them down. Instead it has speeded up their timetables I suspect. This practice of announcing to the general public what you are going to do in advance of doing it would drive me crazy if I were a military leader. It amounts to the reckless loss of military Personel.

[Txjake]

Agree. What is needed is a force to engage them, preferably with wwII roe. Get the lawyers out of the fighting and kill as many of these vermin as quickly as possible.

[spdrun]

Let them take Baghdad. What's the problem? Why is it our problem? Let Iran, the Saudis, and the Israelis deal with it. The better if the Persians and Saudis have to waste a lot of energy containing IS and it weakens them.

[barry12345]

That may have happened already if they were not so extreme with little or no outside interference. When they did the beheadings was a notice they should not to be ignored and went well past acceptable behaviors.

That type of thing was a massive misteak on their part. There is no indication they will honor any ones borders.

We seem to have enough sociopathic type personalities to feed their manpower needs worldwide. In fact they could become of substantial size over time.

It disturbs me to see humans fall to their levels of collective behavior.

Socociopaths organized is a fearful concept. They have no conscience at all and are held back by little. I never claimed sociopaths where not smart and figure that is why they are doing fairly well. Generally they have above average intelligence.

Absolutly nothing matters to them except self. A clearly organized field that caters to there excesses has to be a welcome thing. I doubt their oppressive nature is really driven by religion as much as by their personality types. It is and has been my opinion since dealing with many of these personality profiles over the last twenty five or so years. World society cannot afford to let them organize yet it has happened.

Asking what is the attraction to people from many world cultures is a good thing. The appearance of religious belief is only a window dressing at best.

I can be manipulated only to a certain point for example. Beyond that one cannot control me because of my internal values. It would not surprise me that they may have mental health type people screening joiners to the cause. Normal personality types need not apply. I doubt they would try anyways. Not acting strong enough and quickly enough may be a misteak the world could really regret. In context the war would be against the organization of sociopathic types of personalities. Rather than ideological beliefs.

Another concept that might not go down well is if sociopaths in an organized fashion prevailed. You would never be able to deal with them any other way than eliminating them. The wholesale slaughter of normal people under their influence otherwise has to be a given. I suspect a lot of guys of non middle eastern decent will start to go all too soon if the current organized group are not really suppressed fast. Of course they will claim to be converts to muslim beliefs. Already happening I suspect. That may be the strangest thing of all. A scociopath cannot hold religeous beliefs as the normal person understands them really in my opinion.

Even non believers in structured religion basically like myself. I do not want to or should I wish to kill you. Or place myself in a position to facilitate this type of act willingly. Your life is all you have. I have no right to terminate it unless perhaps you are randomly killing others for the express needs of your mentality only basically. You them represent a threat to everyone. To me the venneer of civilization is a little too thin with some people. This type of problem is every normal persons problem. Or at least those falling within the normal bounds of normal and that is in itself quite a range.