More fevered brain spew/mega-fail. Have you ever read about or seen videos of tribal conflict between chimpanzees? Holy Shiite , them critters play for keeps. As is well known chimpanzees will bite the face off of primates they wish to subdue.

The estimates I've read is that we peoples had a common ancestor with chimpanzees somewhere between 6 and 13 million years ago. God only knows what our ancestors were like 1 million years ago. Well actually not just God, we do have some evidence of pre-humans from about .5 million years ago, correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm sorry, speculating that we homo sapiens have had 1,000,000+ years of practice in tribalism is not really a stretch. Plus, the arrival of Euros in North America 500+ years ago gave a view on how humans in a latitude similar to that of their European homeland evolved socially.

Indigenous Americans south of approximately the Canadian border, aside from small amounts of Polynesian DNA in parts of SA, had virtually identical genetic roots. Inuit people had some infusion from later Siberian migrations.

So Indigenous American tribalism really cannot be construed as having a racist component. But it was intense nonetheless. They annihilated each other with abandon at various points.

And when the white man showed up the tribal distinctions were unmistakable. Similar in Africa - when Whites showed up in South Africa, there was no doubt who was in which tribe.

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Have you noticed that they lost the evolutionary race? correlation? causation? you strive to be like them? Your desire to emulate them does not excuse your behavior in my species. You are most likely wrong but why bore us with details? You miss the point of evolution. You seem to not understand it in the slightest. sounds like darwin at work

Originally Posted by cmac2012:
More fevered brain spew/mega-fail. Have you ever read about or seen videos of tribal conflict between chimpanzees? Holy Shiite , them critters play for keeps. As is well known chimpanzees will bite the face off of primates they wish to subdue.Stunning how hard you try to not get it. It's not a difficult concept. We see massive evidence of tribal competition and warfare among humans stretching back in our history, at least about 2500 years and we see it today's chimpanzees, and we are pretty sure that we have common ancestors with chimps, quite a few of them.

So it's no stretch to me to consider that tribal conflict and killing stretches back in the human species all the way to the common ancestor phase.

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Progress/advancement in our species is/was not made by tribal competitors. It is made in spite of them. The value of intellect/altruism is manifest in the fact that my species evolved. The chimps lack this evolved part, hence the branch we embark on does not include them. Somehow you strangely see the archaic lessor DNA as a feature not a bug. Which is only true if you wish to be a chimp. Focus on the differences. We evolved in a good way, chimps not so much. And this term you use, common ancestor ... The elusive missing link. We do not yet know our ancestor, let alone any commonality. You use this term without enough thought.

The meandering turns taken in your brain never cease to amaze. The how and whies (plural of why) of evolution are fascinating.

The placental mammals that survived the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs were not dissimilar to rats for a long time. Mammals much like those still exist even though elephants, giraffes, and primates/humans have evolved. Why did that happen? Beats the hell out of me. Random chance, I rectum.

And are you seriously suggesting that chimps are tribal and humans are not? Dude, dude step away from the stupid juice. Somewhere along the line you missed out on a study of the human race. For tribal rivalry, I offer up these examples, exhibits A, B, and C.

The African slave trade. It was a simple matter for many Euros to be OK with enslaving blacks. I mean, come on, they were a different tribe, and clearly inferior to whites, or so many believed.

Barbary pirates and Arabs in general. The Barbary pirates captured and enslaved many Europeans and quite a few black Africans as well. Why do you think it was that they had no trouble with abusing peoples of a clearly different tribe? I understand some Arabs still take black African slaves. The behavior of the Janjaweed has a strong tribal component. I think Janjaweed translates approximately as "dicks and ass holes riding horses or camels."
Their treatment of small villages of black people in Darfur is nothing short of horrific. Other Arabs and Muslims are at pronounced cultural odds with Europeans. I think one might say they are of a different tribe

The behavior of Japanese people in the first half of the 20th century. It's thought that Japanese are something like 80 to 90% genetically similar to Koreans, the other smaller percentage from the indigenous Jomon. While the Koreans have a strong genetic connection to the Han Chinese.

Japanese culture obviously borrowed heavily from Chinese, the Kanji characters in the Japanese alphabet are straight from China. The other two Japanese alphabets, hiragana and katakana, were developed in Japan but derived from kanji.

The Japanese demonstrated their brotherly gratitude to Koreans and Chinese by abusing the holy hell out of them in the years up to and including World War II. Genetic similarities? Who gives AF! They were a different tribe. They had stuff the Japanese wanted. And Chinese necks served as excellent tests for the sharpness of Japanese swords.

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I think it's absolutely crazy how he keeps insisting that it's natural or inevitable. Almost like he wants a justification for what he knows is shameful.

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