380sl buying advice needed

[BENZ-LGB]

Originally Posted by SeaWolf

First I will respond to the Lawyer and Poli-tick-sion response as you must be one . Being 60+ years old I have seen this once great country go down the crapper due to good old GREED. Non sense law suits have made health insurance costs/life saving medications/ outside the reach of the average, non existant, middle working class, which I am a part of. There may be some honest lawyers who don't charge 1.5K retainer + 500+ hour for some college kids research but if so I have not met one. Far as Poli-ticks go we have not had an un corrupt President since "IKE" in the 50's. In reality the Goverment is Broke and the Chinese are glad to take our IOU's since they now own controlling intrest in most US banks/Major compaines etc. etc. which means they own your house/suv/job etc. in effect they own you. I will be dead before they take over but my grankids won't. Enough about GREED and Coruption as this isn;t the place for it. I suspect I will have to dig a bit deeper to get a decent SL or at best get real lucky in the mean time many thanks to all. Oh and I just got a notice that my home owners insurance is going up 80% cause the Goverment has no money in there insurance program.
What a Joke

Ike removed McArthur from command during the Korean War, thus setting up the stage for Viet Nam and the rise in Chinese expansionism. So much for "honest Ike." Also, Ike was dead set against the Allies marching into Berlin at theend of WWII. Had it not been for Churchill (and Monty) pushing Ike, the Russians would have had ALL of Berlin.

Let's look at the "frivolous" lawsuit scenario for a moment. Assuming that plaintiffs' lawyers in fact bring "frivolous" lawsuyits against drug companies, doctors, hospitals, auto manufacturers, take your pick. Eventually, it is up to the jury to make a determination of liability. Only after they find the defendants liable can the jurors then award damages.

Doctors, hospitals, drug companies, the tobacco industry (whoever you want to use as an example) have lawyers who will spend ungodly amounts of money defending the case against their clients. These lawyers are not stupid and you can be sure that they will do anything and everything they can to bury the plaintiff and the palintiff's lawyer. IF, a jury finds the defendant liable and awards megabucks against a defendant it is ONLY because the plaintiff had a good case. Lawsuits are too expensive to fianance and prosecute (for the plaintiff) to waste time and resources in "frivolous" lawsuits.

If the evidence (of wrongdoing) is not there, the juries WILL NOT find liability and WILL NOT AWARD damages.

If you cannot afford to buy prescription medications, blame it on greedy drug companies that are in a hurry to rush products to the market before they are fully tested. If your insurance premiums are too high, blame it on uber-greedy insurance companies that year after year post huge profits even while they claim poverty.

Insurance companies are extremely good at collecting premiums and are extremely good at denying claims....they are piss-poor at paying legitimate claims. I used to do insurance defense work and I can tell you that their principal goal is to screw the consumers out of every possible premium dollar. Then they blame "fraudulent lawsuits" every time they raise premiums.

In California, med-mal carriers have been paying less and less money each year for med-mal claims. At the same time, they have been raising doctors' premiums. In California there is a cap of $250,000.00 on how much a plaintiff, who has been injured by a doctor's negligence, can recover for pain and suffering. Tell that to the guy whose doctor amputed the wrong leg (and then the other leg had to be amputated anyway) leaving him without legs. Would you ake $250k for your TWO legs?

The legal profession has a long standing (and well deserved) reputation for standing up for the little guy and protecting the righst of those who have no voice to speak for them. Not every lawyer is an Atticus Finch (I am assuming that you read the book or at least saw the movie) but there are far more Atticus practicing law, then and now, than the shyster that seems to be the boogeyman for all of your problems.

This country is not down the crapper, if that is how you see it, then I feel sorry for you. If you cannot afford a doctor or your prescriptions, blame greedy insurance companies and drug manufacturers. And if you drove 400 miles to see a rustbucket, then blame yourself for not demanding pictures before embarking on your sojourn.

Rest, assured, however, that had you bought the rustbucket anyway and then decided to sue the seller, there would have been a lawyer out there (perhaps not a private one, but definitely a Legal Aid one)willing to take your case. And if the seller regularly engaged in fraud, then your local prosecutor would have gone after the seller.

To paraphrase an old saying from the 60's (it went like this "if you hate cops, then next time you get robbed, call a hippie") "If you hate lawyers, next time you need one, call a (fill in the blank)."

Good luck in your search for a car.

Now, gentlemen, in this country our courts are the great levelers. In our courts, all men are created equal. I'm no idealist to believe firmly in the integrity of our courts and of our jury system. That's no ideal to me. That is a living, working reality!

Atticus Finch's closing argument, in defense of Tom Robisnon

[SeaWolf]

I agree with alot of what you are saying however most will agree they have been bent over by the legal profession at one time or another. Anyone who has been in any kind of accident will receive tons of phone calls with rants of sueing for lots of money. There are exceptions to everything and it was wrong for me to post, in this, an automotive forum. As to your history facts I can only say that during the 50's this was the land of the American Dream. You could be in any profession as long as you worked hard for it. I did 2 tours in Vietnam and can say that Iraq is turning out to be a Clone of the same. Nixon finally ended that tragadey and we all know what he got for his efforts. What is Ironic is the Chinese were supporting the North and now they are our so-called Buddies Look around your home and stores, you will be hard pressed to find anything that is actually "Made and assembled in the USA". Now I read yesterday that the Chinese will be sending cars over here in 2006 which will cost one third of what is being sold here now. Just take a road trip around the country and note all the closed factories which once employed generations of millions of hard working Americans which are no more. One might say How did this happen? Well for one "opening the boarders" would be the first major mistake. Free trade, the second and of course all the major goverment big dollar free-bees like welfare/medicade etc which spawned from these catastrophic events. Today if you want to be Press all you have to to is give away more money (your money) to the minorites and you Win. Slap all that together with the Greedy Drug companies and it's a no brainer to see how things got out of control. My wife is in the hospital as I type and though we have BCBS at $900 a month insurance our 20% copay will be enormous at best. All of our past few Presdents have ran on Health care reform and none of them have done crap. Of course we can assume they would take an early bullet should they actually suceed in doing anything. Take a look at the SS system which is by all means broke and where did all that money you paid in go? Same goes for Fema and if you think your life savings are secure with FDIC they are broke as well. More and more major companies are being forced to drop retirement funds which folks worked their entire lives for (I am one of those). My elder brother a retired Airanautical Engineer has just lost his as well. His favorite saying is "we make to things in this country, "garbage and lots of paper work". I had a tooth pulled last month and it cost $600 for 5 minutes work. Next time I will get drunk and use needle nose pliers. My 3 grandkids are going to colledge, all on scholerships however none are going to be enginers or scientists which there is nolonger a demand for in this country. These are just some of the reasons our once great industrial nation is no more. No Need to respond further as this is an auotmotive forum and not to debate political/greed issues. Our south korean buddies are with drawing there troops as I type.

[ctaylor738]

This "Open Discussion" Forum would be a great place for the airing of lawyers and other socio-political topics. Why don't you guys take it there and allow the SL Forum to focus on the cars?

Thanks,

[joselu43]

Please.


JL

[BENZ-LGB]

Originally Posted by SeaWolf

I agree with alot of what you are saying however most will agree they have been bent over by the legal profession at one time or another. Anyone who has been in any kind of accident will receive tons of phone calls with rants of sueing for lots of money. There are exceptions to everything and it was wrong for me to post, in this, an automotive forum. As to your history facts I can only say that during the 50's this was the land of the American Dream. You could be in any profession as long as you worked hard for it. I did 2 tours in Vietnam and can say that Iraq is turning out to be a Clone of the same. Nixon finally ended that tragadey and we all know what he got for his efforts. What is Ironic is the Chinese were supporting the North and now they are our so-called Buddies Look around your home and stores, you will be hard pressed to find anything that is actually "Made and assembled in the USA". Now I read yesterday that the Chinese will be sending cars over here in 2006 which will cost one third of what is being sold here now. Just take a road trip around the country and note all the closed factories which once employed generations of millions of hard working Americans which are no more. One might say How did this happen? Well for one "opening the boarders" would be the first major mistake. Free trade, the second and of course all the major goverment big dollar free-bees like welfare/medicade etc which spawned from these catastrophic events. Today if you want to be Press all you have to to is give away more money (your money) to the minorites and you Win. Slap all that together with the Greedy Drug companies and it's a no brainer to see how things got out of control. My wife is in the hospital as I type and though we have BCBS at $900 a month insurance our 20% copay will be enormous at best. All of our past few Presdents have ran on Health care reform and none of them have done crap. Of course we can assume they would take an early bullet should they actually suceed in doing anything. Take a look at the SS system which is by all means broke and where did all that money you paid in go? Same goes for Fema and if you think your life savings are secure with FDIC they are broke as well. More and more major companies are being forced to drop retirement funds which folks worked their entire lives for (I am one of those). My elder brother a retired Airanautical Engineer has just lost his as well. His favorite saying is "we make to things in this country, "garbage and lots of paper work". I had a tooth pulled last month and it cost $600 for 5 minutes work. Next time I will get drunk and use needle nose pliers. My 3 grandkids are going to colledge, all on scholerships however none are going to be enginers or scientists which there is nolonger a demand for in this country. These are just some of the reasons our once great industrial nation is no more. No Need to respond further as this is an auotmotive forum and not to debate political/greed issues. Our south korean buddies are with drawing there troops as I type.

Agreed as to moving the "political" part of this discussion to a different thread. I did not mean to hijack this thread. I am just tired of people taking potshots at my profession.

I thinkthat the Ameircan Dream is still very much alive. I am an immigrant and for me the American Deam has worked very well. It can, and it does, work very well for others. You just have to look in the right places and you will see evidence of the American Dream at work.

Your grandkids should still go for engineering, if that is what they like. Enrollment at engineering schools is at an all time high. It is harder to get into USC School of Engineering than into Harvard Med. School. Tehre is still a need for good engineers in this country.

The American Dream is not dead; it has changed in some ways, but it is still alive. I hope that you and your grandkids find their piece of the dream and claim it.

Good luck in your search for an SL. I too like the older SLs much better than the new ones. Mercedes Enthusiast, a British magazine devoted to Benzes had a nice write up on the R10t SLs. It was on their July 2005 issue.

www.mercedesenthsuiat.co.ik

Good luck.

[SeaWolf]

Cease Fire Bid on a semi-decent sl on flea-bay but will take odds will get outbid by a buck in the final 20 seconds
My luck is as usual: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-SHIPPED-FREE-BEAUTIFUL-1987-MERCEDES-BENZ-560SL-CONVERTIBLE-560-SL_W0QQitemZ4591252506QQcategoryZ6338QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

[tlz-r-us]

sure would be nice to get back to SL help..

i am still looking for advice as stated in my earlier post....

remember... i have the 85 380SL with engine in hand.... i'm looking for suggestions and help as to what you would do if you had the engine out of the car... what kind of things would you do...

please let me know

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Originally Posted by tlz-r-us

sure would be nice to get back to SL help..

i am still looking for advice as stated in my earlier post....

remember... i have the 85 380SL with engine in hand.... i'm looking for suggestions and help as to what you would do if you had the engine out of the car... what kind of things would you do...

please let me know

Best thing to do is start a new thread!