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Old 11-22-2004, 10:11 PM
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Question 93 300E with idle surge,needs MAF, Wire harness, throttle actuator???

We have a great 1993 300E (3.2 liter) with 120K that uses almost no oil between oil changes at 3-4000 miles.
Gas mileage has dropped from just under 30mpg to just over 20mpg recently.
The other day the check engine light came on. About the same time the idle changed from a normally smooth 600-700rpm to a pulsing or surging 600rpm to 1100or 1200rpm (only after warm-up)
I checked the spark plugs, they were even but sooty black. I then retrieved the following trouble codes:
1. #2 oxygen sensor inoperative (replaced 7 months ago)
2. #4 air injection inoperative
3. #10 voltage at air mass sensor too high or too low
4. #26 up-shift delay switchover valve open or short (replaced 7 months ago)
5. checked for vacuum leaks, none found (yet)
6. read lots of archived threads on rough idle and other

I cleared codes but #10 is back.
Seems like the coolant temperature sensor might be the source of the problem. If it is sending the wrong signal saying the engine is still cold, thus the rich fuel mixture, bad gas mileage and rough idle.

Anyone have a value @ temperature chart for the coolant temperature sensor for this model?
Anyone have any other suggestions?
I really don’t want to start throwing parts at this problem. Thanks for your input!!!

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Old 11-22-2004, 10:59 PM
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Man, we have the same car, and I have never achieved fuel economy of just under 30 mpg. Even driving to Las Vegas with the cruise control pegged at 65 mph, I still got just 25-ish. I'm averaging about 21-22 mpg since I've owned the car, so I think your fuel economy is in the normal range.

A fluctuating idle is generally caused by either a vacum leak, bad mass air meter, or bad throttle actuator.
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Old 11-22-2004, 11:36 PM
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Paul, could you please explain how I could better ascertain if the problem is the air mass meter or the throttle actuator. As I stated earlier no vacuum leaks found (yet).

BTW I have noticed that your vehicle seems similar. Ours really has gotten very good gas mileage (we keep a mileage log), we don’t push it to hard…

Anyone else like to comment?????

Would still like to know the test values @ temperatures for that coolant sensor....
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:17 PM
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Retreiving the codes in the DM could point you to the right direction.

The Mass Air Meter is so quick to replace that I think most shops would swap in a known good one to see if it solves the problem.
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Old 11-23-2004, 06:35 PM
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93 300E with idle surge and poor gas mileage

I also have the same car. I also had the same problem you describe. I just replaced the MAF after much help from this site. I did a little testing on my own and found when I disconnect the MAF I would get the same symptoms. After I plugged it back in I tapped it a few times and the idle would surge. After a couple more taps it would return to normal. Mine also would get close to 30 mpg on the highway and around 21 everyday driving. When I had this problem the milage around town dropped to 18/19. Now after replacing the MAF it seems to run a little better and the idle is normal. Hope this helps.
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Old 11-23-2004, 09:54 PM
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I have the same engine in my '94 wagon with 233,miles.

1. My air flow meter caused the same symptoms last month. Was about $400 job at the dealer.

2. Even in the summer months I've never come close to 30 mpg. The best I get is 24 mpg. Share your secret (especially at $2.30 a gallon in CT!) !
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Old 11-26-2009, 01:22 PM
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Tell me please where is the Mass Air Flow located on a 93 2.8 300e
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