I want to pull the engine in my 280c. It is a M110 engine. Will it come out of there with the hood still on? Does anyone ever pull the Engine and transmission as a unit? What is the best way to pull the engine and any other tips would be appreciated.

No!! hood must be removed. Yes it's easy to remove the trans/engine as assembly. ONLY 4/5/6 cylinder engines(upto 1984) will work with the old trans.

Engine removal...
 

Yes, I was able to remove the engine and transmission as a unit on my '82 300TD without removing the hood. Just put the springs on the tightest position, so the hood is held as high as possible, and there's more than enough room. I had the engine and transmission in and out at least 15 times while I was doind my engine swap, and didn't have to remove the hood. There was at least 8" of clearance between the top of the engine hoist and the grille.

Richard, unfortunately he really would like to know if the motor will come out of his car with the hood on. Yes, the answer is No. Unless, that is, you want to drop the engine and subframe out the bottom, which we have done on the very similar 107 chassis.

Why the fuss about removing the hood? There are only four screws holding it on but it will require two people to do it. I always remove the hood when I remove an engine. I have worked on some cars where some previous mechanic(?) has cut the radiator shroud in order to get the engine out. Of course he has to weld the piece back in.
Bill Lewallen Lex.Ky.

The fuss is that I am out of space and I want to...
 

The fuss is that I am out of space and I want to do this outside. It rains here alot and it will cause flash rust on everything. I need to be able to close the hood with the engine inside my garage.

Signed,
Mr. No Real Shop to work in.

Anymore info on Dropping out the bottom would be appreciated
 

What is the procedure for that? Do the mounts stay with the engine, I assume? I suppose the transmission comes out the bottom anyhow.

Another thought about hood removal; You can remove the grill. There are only four screws holding it on. Then you can stand the hood straight up and have plenty of room. You will also be able to close the hood if it rains.
Bill Lewallen Lexington,Ky.

Great, How do you get it to go straight up?
 

That is a great solution.

To get the hood to go straight up, you pull the levers on each hinge down and raise the hood to a vertical position.
Bill Lewallen Lex. Ky.

I need the year your 280C was made or the chassis No. The 114/115 hoods would not go straight up. Let us know what year your car is. If it is the 123 chassis it should go straight up. Don't be ashamed. Sign your name to your email.
Bill Lewallen Lex.Ky.

I presume the car in question is a 114 chassis. That along with 116 and 107 plus all those going before have limited opening hoods.

The 123 chassis in 1977 was the first to go vertical. I guess all new chassis since have done the same.

To Tx Bill,
I believe your '79 300SD is the 116.120 chassis and maybe the hood is not supposed to go all the way vertical.
Bill Lewallen Lex.Ky.

Up or Off ?
 

280c, if this is of any help cosidering that which you already have recieved. For the W124030 chassis. The hood remains attached but in the vertical up position. If you are removing eng and trans as a unit, the whole car must be raised or a hole must be mid-line of the car to allow the end of the trans to go low enough for the engine to obtain enough front highth to clear the radiator. After all electrical and fuel connections have been disconnected and stod away, the exhaust is removed at the two exhaust manifolds, both intake and exhaust manifolds remain on the engine. The cooling fan and belts are removed so the radiator remains in position but the hoses are removed. Protect the radiater with a protective cover. The drive line is diconnected at the front coupling or joint. Disconnect all motor/trans suports. Hook on at the engine lifting spots and have at it I theeeenk! Boy now wasn't that long winded. I'm glad you didn't ask for the time for I would have told you how to make a watch. Didn't you want to know something about the hood? Oh well Happy Trails Beep Beep from Houston. I knew I forgot something, Drain the fluids. Someone else will bring up some things

Donald
just an old windbag

- Remove the hood.
- Remove the engine WITH transmission.
- Put the hood back on (don't scratch the paint).
- Fix stuff.
- Installation is reverse of removal.

Oh, and when you pull the tranny. Be careful with the drive shaft. It's in two sections and if you don't fully disconnect it from the tranny, you run the risk of splitting it. If the splines are not reconnected exactly in the same positions, you will have to get it balanced.

While you have it out, inspect your engine mounts, tranny mount, the rubber disk that connects the drive shaft to the tranny and the "center support" on the driveshaft itself. These rubber parts deteriorate with age. Also check out the neat mini-shocks that dampen engine vibration. If you have to replace all that, it should be about 200-300$, but it's more than worth the effort and hell, you've already got the engine out of the way.

-CTH

remove engine?
 

So you have a garage? or a "outdoorwallnoroof" garage?

You Have the springs on you MB or not?

Planning to get the engine out on a rainy day?

How you planing to remove the engine/ work inside you garage with out having a room of at list 23ft in length to retreat those irons?

Confuse...

The 280C is a 1974. It is the Standard Color...
 

He He. I heard that my ugly grey is some sort of "Standard Color" for Mercedes. A Color for those who don't want it painted. Does this paint have a high gloss when New? or is it kind of like white, polish forever for a medium shine.

To Donald S.
 

When removing the motor, are car ramps high enough to twist the eng/trans assembly through?

Richard
 

I hace no idea what you mean here

" How you planing to remove the engine/ work inside you garage with out having a room of at list 23ft in length to retreat those irons? "

What does "retreat the irons" mean? I am a redneck from Washington, Oklahoma. How I plan on doing the engine is unbolt the motor and trans, hook a tilting engine harness to the VERY NICE loops that are ALREADY THERE! Then lift a little, tilt a little, till it is out, then roll the whole crane into the garage. Then lift the engine stand about a 1/2 inch and bolt it on, then lower the whole thing. Then leave the AWESOME loops on the engine used to pull it. Then I'll Take off the head, probably cuss that cam chain if it is anything like my Yamaha's, and then try to knock the pistons out with a rubber mallot, then send it down to be line bored and planed on all surfaces, even the pan side. Then put it all back together with new guts, and put it back in. If you mean re-arcing the springs, I couldn't care less about that unless the car is sitting funny. I don't even know if it has a frame or not, I can't remember. Anyway, you will have to explain what you mean.

Thanks,
Steve Wyatt
GM/Ford Expert
Mercedes Half Wit/Charlitan

To Richard Ney
 

My wife says you mean just "how do I plan to pull the engine, since the car is long with the engine puller in front of it".

I do have a 1 car Garage. It measures 5m by 10m. or 15ft x 30ft. I have a driveway that is a little longer than 30ft. I have done many engines. It will not be on a rainy day. I repair cars 50% of the time, and develop software 50% of the time for http://WWW.MyTurn.com/ . I work on cars when the weather warms up in the afternoon, it is cold here, unlike Southern California, it get down to 40 here sometimes.(No I am not a weenie, in NM it gets to -10). I work on my computer in my underwear until noon or so. I would like to have a auto business full time, but I am only in Northern California for my job and my wifes job. We will move back to New Mexico after these jobs pay off (Stock options in Silicon Valley are a pretty popular tool to attract and retain professional talent) and we retire. I consider myself 1/2 retired since I retired from Lucent in July (at 37). It was a stock peak and It was time to cash out. Now we are waiting to see if Myturn.com works out. I like the chances of the company or I would already be in my Shop in New Mexico.

Leave the hood attached
 

280c, referrancing the Mercedes Benz Service Manual, Engine 103(this should apply to your application as well). I'm sorry I was so vague on the hole or lift height. Page 01.1101-03/15. Dimension "a" approx 30 cm. This is the height of the wheels contact surface above the ground/floor. Your drive on stands may work. Remember the rear has to be raised as well. The illustration in the Manual shows the rear of the tranny being held up by a hydraulic floor jack after the cross member and drive shaft have been removed. As you lift the engine you lower the rear of the transmission. Repeating lift, lower until you have enough height to clear the fire wall. As you can see you will need a lift chain that allow your lift point to change it's position for and aft as you lift. Before this you must unbolt the refer compressor and pull aside, remove the radiator and all the other stuff. I don't know where all of the other submitted numbers came from, but these are from the M/B Manual. Happy Trails Beep Beep from Houston.

Donald

Get with it

Go Vertical
 

cth350, if a hood can go vertical then don't remove it. The reason for this is so you won't have to adjust the hood to fender gap which is so accurate and these body gaps are just another reason a Benz is so desireable. Happy Trails Beep Beep from Houston.

Donald
are my gaps straight?

Native New Mexican
 

280c, I am a Native from N.M. Borne in Chama, my wife from Carlsbad. My Father moved to Albuquerque(thought I couldn't spell it, HUH)when I became high school age. During H.S. I won a scholarship to The General Motors Institute in Flint, Michican. I co-oped Cadillac Motor Car for five years. My secondary was at Purdue. I retired after 20 years with G.M. I've always been a car nut. Don't ask how I retired in Houston, very long story. Happy Trails Beep Beep from Houston.

Donald
a hot foot. A hot foot is a wet back that walked across the Rio Grande when it was dry

Uh, Donald?
 

Donald, The car is a W114, not a W124. It's a whole different beast than what you've been describing.

-CTH

Whoops,cth350
 

cth350, as you read, my response said "this applies to a W124030, but it may help." Perhaps your response will be of more value. Happy Trails Beep Beep from Houston.

Donald
Sorry for taking so much time
My info is not worth a pitence.

On 114 the hood has to come off!
 

CTH350 is right on.... on the 114, the hood must come off the body to remove the engine. Even removing the grille wouldn't provide adequate clearance. I checked my 114 this afternoon just to be sure...

I just finished removing and reinstalling my engine and trans. You must remove the hood. Strongly recommend one of those gizmos that let you vary the tilt of the engine/trans as it comes out and goes back in.

Take it Off, the boys shouted
 

280c, after all the gobbaley gup I passed on to you. Forget it, but if you get a W124030, it will work. Sorry I waisted everyone's time. Happy Trails Beep Beep from, don't have all the answers, Houston.

Donald

Can I borrow your carburetor for a week or so?

Sounds crazy, but here is an explanation... I recently sold my '73 280 to a fellow in Grand Prarie Tx. The trouble is my carb is only slightly more useful than a brick soaked in gasoline. Therefor he is having a very difficult time getting a carhauler to haul his new toy. (they want to be ably to drive it up the ramps etc.) The 280 has been sold (I have the $) for at least 2 months now, and it is taking up space intended for my 280SE...not to mention the neighbors are seriously starting to doubt that I ever sold it.
Well, it was just a crazy thought, but I am nearing the end of cheap ideas for this fellow. (why I am trying to help him [after all I have the money, right?]? I feel bad for the guy...his wife (25 yrs old) just died on him from cancer..(she saw the car on ebay 2 weeks before she passed), and I wanted to help him out a bit...so far all I have been able to do is throw in some extra 114 parts I had laying around, nothing more.
-Larry

I unfortunately have the twin Zeniths which are less useful than two bricks soaked in gasoline. You are really kind to help the guy out, wish I could help.

Sorry Wrong Number
 

Larry, you thread reply was passed on to me. You should have addressed 280c. If I could help I would seeing the condition of bothe 280cs. Happy Trails Beep Beep from Houston.

Donald
all I gots is and old '87 300E

Sorry Wrong Number Too
 

Here we go again. Boy I wish I had carbs to rent. I don't so Happy Trails Beep Beep from Houston.

Donald
So Sahley

Larry Delor
 

If you want to borrow my carb, I guess you could.

OK, great!
 

Could you please send me an e mail so that we can discuss shipping and other details?
Thank you very much!!!
-Larry

Larry,

There is a set of procedures published in the 73 introduction to service manual for setting one of these carbs. Have you been through them?

I have them scanned at home. I can email them to you tonight if you like. Perhaps you just need a half-dozen adjustments or so.

-CTH

CTH,
 

Although I have fiddled with it quite a bit already, I would be willing to give it a try using the instructions!
Thanks in advance!
-Larry