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Dan Rotigel 03-01-2006 12:31 PM

wheres a mod when you need one?
 
Guys,

Why isn't this crap moved to the OD? This is getting more posts than the guy that doesn't have heat in his 190e...an actual tech question, imagine! Is there a moderator in the house? Move the other two whiner threads too...

Although....+1 for "Nothing like an nice cup of bitter...."


cheers,
dan r.
(who has an awful low post count to be ordering mods around :rolleyes: )

Moneypit SEL 03-01-2006 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlomon
You're right about high maintenance costs and less than stellar reliability

Eh. Keeps the riff-raff out.

Gigtime 03-01-2006 01:43 PM

Just noticed Trueog's listed occupation in his profile:

Part time Drug Dealer... Full Time Pimp

Trueog, given your occupation, your car is your office so I'm sure all those repairs are tax deductible anyway. :beatnik:

Hatterasguy 03-01-2006 02:06 PM

He is some kid. We get these guys over at MBworld all the time. They leave their little C class forum and go and troll in the other MB forums.

http://www.mbworld.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3
Go home.

trueog 03-01-2006 02:07 PM

Mercedes Been-Junkz....
 
I just read my write up and everyones responses, and I can't stop laughing.

This story is actually a true story, and I didn't make it up. The owner of the Used S-Class was my cousin. Who now leases a BMW X5(but that's another story).

Here's some responses; yes the C220 has been owned since brand new, if you want to see pictures of it, their in the pictures section under TrueOG.
My Dad bought the Car after he got bored of it, he gave it to me in Grade 11.... and now he's passed his 5 Series onto me also. They've both been looked after well. The reason I wrote that article is, besides my cousin, I know other people that end up buying High End Car's for Cheap in the Used Market, and end up buying a car during a Period when it starts needing repairs and they can't afford them. I just wanted to share some insight on what these people think.... I thought this article was funny, but here's one thing I'm not lying about.....
Mercedes has been a nightmare for me...poor build quality, lots of breakdowns..I have $15 000 in receipts for the last 5 years alone! I can afford the repairs, no gripe in that....So would I buy another Mercedes? no way..... I'd rather own a Lexus and never have to worry about my wife calling to tell me she's on the side of the freeway and she's scarred cuz its dark...no thanks. Happened to me twice already...that's why I bought her the jetta, which so far is worse then the C....

blackmercedes 03-01-2006 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trueog
...My Dad bought the Car after he got bored of it, he gave it to me in Grade 11.... and now he's passed his 5 Series onto me also....

I think this part of the post is pretty much all we really needed to know. As to your occupations of drug dealer and pimp, perhaps you have some "bidness" you need to attend to? On MB-Shop, we're adults, and don't need to make up stories about being "gangstas" from the "hood" when we're really just spoiled little boys from the rich suburbs. 99% of the guys you'll see around here earned their cars and earn the money that looks after them, and we don't really care about fake Xenon bulbs and other garbage. The tech forum is for people actually trying to solve problems and look after their hard-earned investment.

trueog 03-01-2006 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmercedes
I think this part of the post is pretty much all we really needed to know. As to your occupations of drug dealer and pimp, perhaps you have some "bidness" you need to attend to? On MB-Shop, we're adults, and don't need to make up stories about being "gangstas" from the "hood" when we're really just spoiled little boys from the rich suburbs. 99% of the guys you'll see around here earned their cars and earn the money that looks after them, and we don't really care about fake Xenon bulbs and other garbage. The tech forum is for people actually trying to solve problems and look after their hard-earned investment.

Yea, i'm a gangsta rollin through the hood...just because I like to talk like that doesn't mean i'm not an adult. I just talk like that, but I have a family....I joke around sometimes, like my profile shows....

Ralph69220d 03-01-2006 02:35 PM

owning used MB
 
I have a 69 220D with all the age associated problems you'd expect from a 37 year old automobile. I like troubleshooting problems, often with help from members of this forum when I am unsure or at a loss. At present, money for parts is a hardship, but this will turn around. So, I bought this 220D, which would not even start when I bought it. When I got her running, on my first test drive I discovered that the driveshaft center support bearing had failed at some time in the past when the car ran and beat hell out of the splines on the transmission output shaft. Then it was rebuild the entire shift system in the 4-speed (it shifts like a new car now). Next it's replace every rubber bushing (except the motor mounts which I already replaced) in the undercarriage. Why do I do this? Well, I get enjoyment and satisfaction into turning a piece of salvage scrap into an automobile that performs somewhat like it did in 1969. Money? Yes, it costs money, but mostly my own labor. Secondly, my wife has a $400 plus car payment on her 94 jeep gran cherokee. I can buy a lot of parts for $5k per year, not to mention requiring full collision coverage, whereas I have my 220D, BMW 735i and 1970 Dodge one-ton on liability only. A couple more years on my wife's car and it is going to start costing major money on things I am not able to fix, such as replacing the steering knuckles, all associated auto transmission and electronic problems. Though between money and satisfaction and a deep appreciation for the engineering of a German car, the satisfaction and deep appreciation win out by a long shot. Without having ever met any Forum member's who've been around a good long time more than me, I can say this with certainty. They have courage and are not quitter's. I am sure this translates into the rest of their live's too. If you're kind of stuck half way inbetween, then buy an 80's 300D or TD, which are simpler and require little cash outlay to purchase. Then fix it at your leisure, learn, overcome frustration and be proud of yourself.

Matt L 03-01-2006 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trueog
Why not to buy a mercedes is a technical question....

It might be, if you were to offer any technical information to bolster your cause. But alas, you are simply taking a sample set of one and applying it to a very wide world.

Dan Rotigel 03-01-2006 02:45 PM

I like jokes too!
 
Quote:

Yea, i'm a gangsta rollin through the hood...just because I like to talk like that doesn't mean i'm not an adult.
Actually, yes, it does rather.

Quote:

p.s. Why not to buy a mercedes is a technical question....
No. Not only is it not a question, it is not technical. Go pimp a dictionary.


cheers,
dan r.

Moneypit SEL 03-01-2006 02:49 PM

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jlomon 03-01-2006 02:50 PM

I'm going to offer you some serious advice, as opposed to just poking fun at you. I read the other thread you started, about the stalling and no-start condition with the car. I'm not a tech, so I'm not going to diagnose your mechanical problems. I will recommend that you buy yourself a code scanner. If your mechanic charged you $200 to just scan for codes, you were ripped off. If he spent time on the car actually going through diagnostic procedures, that is a different story. But just pulling codes takes less than a few minutes. I just bought a great one on sale at Canadian Tire this week for $250. I'm sure you can check your own CT to see if they have it on sale.

Your car is OBDII compliant. That means you have a 16 pin port under your dashboard, about where your right knee will be when you sit in the car. It is covered by a small flap on a hinge. You connect a code scanner there, and pull the codes. These are universal codes and can be scanned by any OBDII scanner. You can also use that scanner on any car made in 1996 or after.

With the exception of the AMM and the wiring harness, everything else you listed on that thread was a regular maintenance item. You'd have to replace all of those things on any car, and parts for a Lexus will be in the same ballpark. You need to find a good indy mechanic, someone you can trust and talk to, and develop a relationship with them. I found one in Toronto by using this forum as a resource. There is a specific forum dedicated to recommending local mechanic. Use it and find someone good. Let them know how you heard about them so they know that word-of-mouth advertising works. You'll be surprised how much easier this is if you have someone who will try to solve your problems instead of just throwing parts at your car.

kaskae 03-01-2006 04:19 PM

jeez,,why all the discussion on why own a mercedes,,,,I have owned many over the years and also trucks and other american cars,they ALL needed work and somehow I always owned the models with the most expensive fuel pumps,starters etc,,,anyway I own a "high maintenace" 1985 500 SEL that i had tp put a few thousand into because of poor prior maintenance, however I made the choice to own what I consider the ultimate in ride and looks,,simply put I like my 500 sel with the bucket seats in back, this might be about ego,but I do like the ride and am willing to tinker with the problems as they arise,I did not buy a 21 yr car thinking that it would last 500,000 miles ,,,thats just hype and if you are willing to enjoy the experiance of driving one of these cars, it will cost too
I have approx 12,000 usd. in my benz now with no regrets,,,nada none nope,,,,I am privleged to own a highly engineered piece of equipment made like no other,,,,but you got to remember that I like old cars and enjoy working on them too, with the help of this forum and fastlane parts I expect that this latest addition will give me years of driving pleasure. If you think mercedes parts and maintenace are high,,,try owning a Humvee h1,, now there is some serious money... not one of my better decisions,,,, ,just my 2cents worth.

benzsu 03-01-2006 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlomon
I'm going to offer you some serious advice, as opposed to just poking fun at you. I read the other thread you started, about the stalling and no-start condition with the car. I'm not a tech, so I'm not going to diagnose your mechanical problems. I will recommend that you buy yourself a code scanner. If your mechanic charged you $200 to just scan for codes, you were ripped off. If he spent time on the car actually going through diagnostic procedures, that is a different story. But just pulling codes takes less than a few minutes. I just bought a great one on sale at Canadian Tire this week for $250. I'm sure you can check your own CT to see if they have it on sale.

Your car is OBDII compliant. That means you have a 16 pin port under your dashboard, about where your right knee will be when you sit in the car. It is covered by a small flap on a hinge. You connect a code scanner there, and pull the codes. These are universal codes and can be scanned by any OBDII scanner. You can also use that scanner on any car made in 1996 or after.

With the exception of the AMM and the wiring harness, everything else you listed on that thread was a regular maintenance item. You'd have to replace all of those things on any car, and parts for a Lexus will be in the same ballpark. You need to find a good indy mechanic, someone you can trust and talk to, and develop a relationship with them. I found one in Toronto by using this forum as a resource. There is a specific forum dedicated to recommending local mechanic. Use it and find someone good. Let them know how you heard about them so they know that word-of-mouth advertising works. You'll be surprised how much easier this is if you have someone who will try to solve your problems instead of just throwing parts at your car.

Thanks JLOMON

This is the best dam advice anyone can get, I totally agree. It is very important to A. get the code scanner ( don't have one YET) B. develope a good (relationship) with a local mechanic. Most honest mechanic with yrs of experience will know the problems if you describe the symptoms, at least mine did. I don't even care if his hourly rate is the same as the dealers. Only problem is a good mechanic is hard to find just like a true friend that's honest are hard to find (not that I have this problem). So "trueOG" go find a good mechanic that knows what he/she is talking about. hey guys "trueOG" can have his side of the story too, :( I been in other forums where people disagree and chew each other out, Let not be part of that. Lets show "trueOG" that he has a right to be a "gangsta":cool: (is that how it's spelled) and a Mercedes owner too. JUst kidding :P

benzsu 03-01-2006 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralph69220d
I have a 69 220D with all the age associated problems you'd expect from a 37 year old automobile. I like troubleshooting problems, often with help from members of this forum when I am unsure or at a loss. At present, money for parts is a hardship, but this will turn around. So, I bought this 220D, which would not even start when I bought it. When I got her running, on my first test drive I discovered that the driveshaft center support bearing had failed at some time in the past when the car ran and beat hell out of the splines on the transmission output shaft. Then it was rebuild the entire shift system in the 4-speed (it shifts like a new car now). Next it's replace every rubber bushing (except the motor mounts which I already replaced) in the undercarriage. Why do I do this? Well, I get enjoyment and satisfaction into turning a piece of salvage scrap into an automobile that performs somewhat like it did in 1969. Money? Yes, it costs money, but mostly my own labor. Secondly, my wife has a $400 plus car payment on her 94 jeep gran cherokee. I can buy a lot of parts for $5k per year, not to mention requiring full collision coverage, whereas I have my 220D, BMW 735i and 1970 Dodge one-ton on liability only. A couple more years on my wife's car and it is going to start costing major money on things I am not able to fix, such as replacing the steering knuckles, all associated auto transmission and electronic problems. Though between money and satisfaction and a deep appreciation for the engineering of a German car, the satisfaction and deep appreciation win out by a long shot. Without having ever met any Forum member's who've been around a good long time more than me, I can say this with certainty. They have courage and are not quitter's. I am sure this translates into the rest of their live's too. If you're kind of stuck half way inbetween, then buy an 80's 300D or TD, which are simpler and require little cash outlay to purchase. Then fix it at your leisure, learn, overcome frustration and be proud of yourself.

Thanks for sharing, God bless:)
Very well put. That's exactly why I bought a used Mercedes, Actually three times I bought used Mercedes, All with around 80k on them. First was W124 86' 300E, great car, best ever. It got rare ended 6 months ago, had it for 12 yrs. Replaced it with 94' W124 E420 prestine condition (Tradition of Mercedes ownership) and I also have a 97' S500 (best all around for me) which was purchased used. I like to work on cars at my leisure too, and I do pride myself of having over come problem with these cars. I have had very good experiences with this brand of automoble. They are Premium cars with premium prices, this is not a Honda (nothing wrong with having Hondas).
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