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sokoloff 12-31-2006 08:21 PM

I'm not sure if there are no other coolants on the approved list because Mercedes wants to push their own product or if it's because the coolant manufacturers don't want to pony up the cash to Mercedes to have them test their products. There is a whole lot more motor oil used than coolant, so why doesn't Mercedes sell and recommend their own label oil? There are many approved oils, more for the European market than in the US, but still plenty to choose from.

I'll be interested to hear what the latest word from Zerex is.

Len

Tomguy 12-31-2006 09:47 PM

Coolant order to use in your MB:
1) G-05 or MBZ coolant
2) Prestone Yellow
...
9) Green crap
10) Straight water
...
998) dog urine
999) Dexcool

GradyService 12-31-2006 10:23 PM

Note: I forgot to clarify something in my first post. The Texaco antifreeze I speak of is NOT the Texaco Extended Life (Dex-Cool) that it is assumed to be. It is regular, old fashioned, Ethylene Glycol Based, Green, Texaco antifreeze. I would NEVER put Dex-Cool in anything that wasn't cursed with it from the factory;) .
Thanks, and God Bless,
Dave.

Kestas 12-31-2006 10:39 PM

This table of coolants may help people understand the different coolants out there. For starters, one cannot go by color alone.

http://www.eetcorp.com/antifreeze/Coolants_matrix.pdf

autobahnauto 01-01-2007 08:10 AM

personally, I'd like to keep my Mercedes original using the oe coolant. Whenever someone brings in a pre purchase inspection, I check the coolant type. 10 out of 10 times, if it has the oe coolant, that usually means it is dealer serviced or done by an indy shop that knows MB's. Which in turn, is usually a better maintained car. If it comes in with dexcool, I can usually expect coat hangers in place of exhaust doughnuts, black tape over the check engine light, non-metric hose clamps, and a bubba's quick lube oil sticker running non synthetic oil in a 2000 MB.
Dave

sokoloff 01-01-2007 08:47 AM

Excellent points Dave. That would be me too if looking to buy a used Mercedes. Green coolant might not be a dealer stopper, but it would sure get me thinking and looking harder.

Len

ProV1 01-01-2007 11:39 AM

dont forget to use distilled h2o when mixing folks!

Hirnbeiss 01-01-2007 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomguy (Post 1373515)
Coolant order to use in your MB:
1) G-05 or MBZ coolant
2) Prestone Yellow
...
9) Green crap
10) Straight water
...
998) dog urine
999) Dexcool

Agreed. Getting a DB (or DC now) seal of approval just means that they found the time to test it. But, the absolute minimum standard you need is to find coolant approved for aluminum parts. Whether it's as good as the MB fluid will require a long-term test, and I don't want to volunteer my engine/water pump/radiator as a guinea pig.
I can say that I trashed the water pump seal in my 2.3L from the '85 190E when I assumed "all coolants are the same" and used green crap in it. It began leaking within a few thousand miles, presumably because of the accelerated corrosion on aluminum parts. Let me quoth the Raven: "Nevermore!"

deanyel 01-01-2007 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hirnbeiss (Post 1373888)
I can say that I trashed the water pump seal in my 2.3L from the '85 190E when I assumed "all coolants are the same" and used green crap in it. It began leaking within a few thousand miles, presumably because of the accelerated corrosion on aluminum parts. Let me quoth the Raven: "Nevermore!"

A new radiator began leaking within a few thousand miles? If it wasn't a new radiator such a presumption would seem to be flawed.

anthonyb 01-01-2007 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett San Diego (Post 1373210)
Questions like these are very good ones. For me, it's not a cost issue at all, but an issue of blind faith. If someone tells me that I absolutely must use product A for something, my natural response is "Why?". I find the answer, "Because I said so," not to be satisfactory. There is either a very good explanation why, or there is no reason that you must use product A.

Hopefully someone can provide a very good explanation why one MUST use MB factory coolant versus other brands that are formulated for aluminum engines.

I think that if we are looking for very precise, data driven explanations as to why one thing is better than another, this is probably the wrong venue to do so. (It is, after all, the internet...) While there are some highly experienced technicians on the board, and a few more who bring their professional experience into the mix, most of us are shadetree mechanics who do this in our spare time.

In other words, you're probably not going to find highly technical, data-driven research as to why the chemical compound in OEM coolant is better than normal ethylene glycol.

The best most of us can expect from any of these questions is that the general consensus will reflect the experience of those of us who have been working with these cars, and then it's up to each individual owner to decide if that particular recommendation is worth the marginal cost over the least expensive option.

For what it's worth, I think of MB coolant like I think of synthetic oil. It's probably not 5x better, but it's still better than the regular stuff, and so I use it. Considering that it's gotten me to 285,xxx miles, that can't be all that bad.

Anthony

Hirnbeiss 01-01-2007 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanyel (Post 1373932)
A new radiator began leaking within a few thousand miles? If it wasn't a new radiator such a presumption would seem to be flawed.

Your assignment for tonight, Deanyel: reread the post. Water pump seal does not = radiator.

Also, try a link from more recognized expert:
http://www.asashop.org/autoinc/june97/cooling.htm

Will_w202 01-01-2007 03:57 PM

IMO, if you're changing coolant every 3 years, so what if it's $30 a gallon? If you use an equation of how much your time is worth based on your profession, how much money have you cost yourself researching the info? Probably at least a few gallons of MB coolant - lol..

I'm no moneybags, but my peace of mind is worth it considering I have to pony up the extra dough only once every 3 years, and I plan to keep the car permanently. It isn't like paying $15 a quart for some MB synthetic oil every 5k.

For that matter, I've gotten 80k out of my front OEM MB brake pads and 140k on the original front rotors. I could buy the discount pads and rotors and save maybe $80 total, but why? The OEMs have proven themselves. I know they perform, so I will buy them again

Hirnbeiss 01-01-2007 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Will_w202 (Post 1374074)

For that matter, I've gotten 80k out of my front OEM MB brake pads and 140k on the original front rotors. I could buy the discount pads and rotors and save maybe $80 total, but why? The OEMs have proven themselves. I know they perform, so I will buy them again

The difference on the brake pads and rotors, though, is that they usually are the same as the OEM components. Textar, Pagid, Brembo, Zimmermann, ATE etc. all supply MB as OEM's.
The coolants and newer ATF's (722.6 and later) are not easily available outside of MB.

deanyel 01-01-2007 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hirnbeiss (Post 1374068)
Your assignment for tonight, Deanyel: reread the post. Water pump seal does not = radiator.

Also, try a link from more recognized expert:
http://www.asashop.org/autoinc/june97/cooling.htm

er, right, but the question is the same - it was new and it failed within a few thousand miles? The expert article seems rather neutral on the question.

Hirnbeiss 01-01-2007 05:30 PM

The part wasn't new
 
but it failed shortly after switching to the cheap green stuff.
The point is that different materials require different chemistries, otherwise you get increased corrosion and failure.


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