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05-09-2009, 12:11 AM
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Think the tumbler has gone on 88 300TE
The key won't go in all the way -- about 3/4. Tried everything....Moved car, moved wheel, put in drive/park/neutral....
The slot seems very loose... What do you guys think? Is the tumbler done for? Maybe its just loose? What is involved to get to it? Thanks
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05-09-2009, 02:48 AM
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If you can't get the key in to turn it to position 2 and release the tumbler with the proper tool.....then some BIG and unpleasant work is on the horizon.
 You will have to likely replace the whole assembly and do some surgery on it.If the slot is real loose the tumbler has likely broken in two. I was real paranoid about mine when I got it, and I quickly replaced the tumbler.....low and behold when I got the old one out (which still worked acceptably) it was broken in two!
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05-09-2009, 02:59 AM
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Whatever you do don't force the key in there. If you were to get the key in there and not be able to get it back out again without being able to turn it to position 1 or 2 (I forget which) , you'll be in a world of hurt. Consider yourself lucky! Search under "tumbler". You''ll need a new tumbler from Mercedes that will require reg and ID. Probably around $100 now. Then you'll have matching keys to ignition, doors and truck. "V" shaped tool, each leg about 6" long, is made from coat hanger wire. Directions are probably in the archives somewhere. Get the tumbler first and you can see how the tool will depress a spring clip. Your tumbler will probably come out in two pieces.
glenmore 1991 300CE 2000 C280
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05-13-2009, 10:23 PM
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Also if anybody else has the correct place on where to drill that would be great! Otherwise, SLK if you could still get me that info it would be very much appreciated!! If I can avoid gutting everything that would be very nice. Wagon is now a door...I guess, garage-door-stop for right now.
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05-13-2009, 10:40 PM
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Hi there,
Yes it is a Dealer only part. Bring your vehicle ownership and ID to order the new tumbler, which will come complete with new key identical to your existing set. I suggest you continue to try to get the key to turn to pos 1, to enable the tool to fit in and release the tumbler. After trying "everything" to get the key to turn in my 92 124, I got a thin piece of hard wire and slightly bent the end which I inserted into the ignition lock and applied pressure on the tumblers as I dragged the wire out several times on the upper and lower inner edge of the tumbler. This worked for me but was nothing short of a miracle....really. If worst comes to worst I think I would replace the lock assembly rather than drill. Alternatively perhaps the lock face will pop off or could there be something in the lock keeping the key from going in all the way???? Good luck buddy, Acky Last edited by Uncle Acky; 05-15-2009 at 02:15 PM.
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05-13-2009, 10:40 PM
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For my W126 I had to go to the dealer, no generic ones are available.
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05-09-2009, 03:44 AM
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It seems pretty loose for sure....but no I can't get the key in to turn, period....what big work are we talking here? Gutting the front?
Thanks guys. Lucky I have the 260E to keep me over now!
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05-09-2009, 11:48 AM
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No big work unless the key gets stuck. Replacing the tumbler is routine. Just takes being able to turn the key to position 1 and a bit of jiggling and luck to get the tool in the right position. The pain would start if the key gets stuck or you get the key in there and you can't turn it to position 1, then you are talking about drilling the thing out.
glenmore 1991 300CE 2000 C280 (Corrected post. Key position to remove tumbler is #1) Last edited by glenmore; 05-10-2009 at 02:05 AM.
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05-09-2009, 12:48 PM
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I know an indy that has figured out where to drill to remove the tumbler without tearing the dash apart. If you are able to get the key in and turn it to position 1, leave it there! Then, you can easily replace the tumbler. This:  Instead of this:  
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05-09-2009, 02:22 PM
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I would do whatever it takes to get the key in and turned to position 1.
(NOT position 2, but as slk230red documented, position 1). Maybe spray in tons of silicone spray, and just gently keep moving the key around, spray in more, etc, until it goes in. Then remove the tumbler asap. Monday, order the correct replacement from the dealer. Many years ago, I had to have a 190 towed to my indie to replace the tumbler because I let it go too long.
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05-10-2009, 02:03 AM
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05-10-2009, 02:12 AM
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I've read how others have held a vibrating electric tool like an orbital sander against the key while trying to work it in and getting it to turn. glenmore 1991 300CE 2000 C280
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05-10-2009, 07:14 AM
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ps2cho, picture 1 (showing a screwdriver removing piece 30) in slk230red's post is misleading. From my experience with 124 cars the entire trim piece (to the right of the steering wheel that surrounds the ignition lock cylinder/tumbler) needs to be removed. Then coax the key into Position 1 and use the release wire to remove the ignition lock cylinder. As mentioned a vibratory tool may allow you to insert the key and turn it to Position 1. I would take the time and effort to remove the ignition lock cylinder yourself because having a shop drill out the entire assembly will be quite expensive.
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05-10-2009, 11:27 AM
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Managed to get the key almost all the way in, but it still won't turn.
I will give the orbital sander idea a go. I also have made the tool needed to remove the cylinder. I guess if I can't turn it I will have to resort to drilling it out. slk230Red, Do you know where to drill if I can't get the key to position 1?
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05-10-2009, 11:32 AM
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