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Originally Posted by BAD300 (Post 2619293)

Can you reply with a sourcing & part number/s for these adjustable rear camber arms you had fitted, along with any front mods you know of? My Project car is currently in workshop. Upgrading brakes & lowering suspension/spring changes are on the list to do up ahead soon. I'd luv to do this change you speak of @ the same time :cool:

Incidentally. Would these be the same/similar/better than the "links" iwrock speaks of in below quoted post?

Yes and no...

They are the same, in that they are adjustable, but where they differ are end links....

My rear arms have a solid self lubricating heim joint instead of rubber/poly. Less flex and longer lasting.

Not to mention the ability to dial in the exact wheel settings your looking for!

Next up! Custom T6061 rear subframe bushings!

I had driven Ps2cho's TE many miles, and here were the symptoms..
Would pull left on acceleration, and drift right on decelleration. Clunking in the rear when transitioning. In the wet the rear end would twitch and feel unstable when changing gear or direction.

BAD300,

This is from a thread I had over at BW. While irock is right the self-lubricating ones are better and will last longer. IIRC They're like $300 or so. I think irock is tracking his wagon so def a need for something industrious like that but for me, its just my DD so $85 was good:

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

Hello everyone,

Originally from, DIY adjustable rear camber arms - 190 Revolution

I'm just crossposting this so that the word gets out. I know some guys might not be on this board and 190Rev so, 190Rev member 16V4NRBRGR did all the research and whatnot so all credit goes to him for his hard work.

http://imgur.com/FhzrQ.png

Mine totaled around $85 shipped.
Edit: www.speedwaymotors.com is where to buy this stuff from. forgot to mention that.
Note: when ordering, it'll want you to select the angle of the one shank, just pick straight.

Also if you don't have bolts to mount the arms up with you can use the Mercedes kit 2103504506 is the part number for it. You'll need two.

You'll also need eight washers to go between the nylon and the bracket on the subframe/wheel carrier

My original adjustable rear camber arms:
http://imgur.com/9pnVjl.jpg

New ones pre-assembled. courtesy of 16V4NRBRGR,
http://imgur.com/hnGbEl.jpg

New one installed.
http://imgur.com/hDhMpl.jpg
I think they're pretty sweet. Price is amazingly right too. I replaced all my other links in the back when I installed these. I had to use an angle grinder and cut out my old camber links. They were RUSTED.

I used the bolt kits that were in my rear end kit from Meyle, which used triple square heads. I had to go to autozone and pick up pack of tools for them.

Any questions let me know, I'll do my best.

As for front end mods:
Bigger Front Sway Bar
Sportline Bushings on the LCAs
Adjustable Camber Plates on the shock towers
strut tower bar/brace

Here is some info that I believe 2Phast came up with on the front swaybars...

http://i.imgur.com/7bszzl.jpg
Here is a list of mods I have on my 190E:

http://i.imgur.com/VBKI1l.jpg

yeah you got a point there,mercedes 5 links are amazing when it comes to handling,i think the u.s. just couldnt compete ,your right they may have had some independent susp. with rear coils,my iroc-z had asolid rear axle, panhard rod, and sway bar with coils,that was most likely the most advanced suspension of 1988,lol go mercedes!!!

Is tere a write-up on ghow to replace these?

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Originally Posted by Merkey (Post 2619327)

That sounds like the torque steer on my Dodge minivan. I'm trying to go for the world distance record of maintaining single lane by steering with the gas pedal alone.

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Originally Posted by ps2cho (Post 2617838)

When I grab that torque bar it I can move it completely around...there was a lot of movement. I should notice a huge difference.

The car was horrible in the rain....I tell you...It would not feel firm on the road at all.

So did you notice a huge difference? Was it worth it?
Jamie

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Originally Posted by JamesDean (Post 2619353)

I am tracking my wagon, and thats why I chose heim joints. I got the hookup on my parts, which is another reason I went the way I did.

Steering damper helps, but not as much as doing what you did.

Steering damper is $28 part and two bolts.

rear dog bones have to be one of the best bang for the buck improvements you can do if you have the wander.

i couldn't believe the difference in a 124... only did it to one...but if i ever get the rear wander again...i know exactly what to do...

Wandering/twitchiness can also be caused by torn subframe mounts. I'm going to be doing my front mounts this weekend. The RR is torn completely so my car has a slight amount of rear wheel steering on that wheel. It doesn't even take the lightest (5mph) crosswind to buffet me around currently. :(

Best course of action to to take a pry bar to any/all arms & links in the rear end. Replace anything that moves!

As John says, "anything that moves". Most of the parts are cheap, and other than the lower wheel carrier bushing, fairly easy to replace with ordinary hand tools. ANY loose parts will cause wandering and the cars are amazing when properly sorted out.

Did you find a good price on those parts Ps2cho?

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Originally Posted by ps2cho (Post 2617814)

http://w124-zone.com/downloads/photo...rms/arms-5.jpg

That is why they wonder on the freeway and feel like they are blowing away in the wind.

I am using the Meyle rear arm kit.

Is it your garage floor? so nice and clean! is it vinyl or terrazzo?

yeah,thats pretty amazing,i heard it was due to the autobahn,that european cars suspension was so much more advanced,the cars needed to be smaller lighter and have more advanced suspension,i bet your baby is gonna corner like its on rails,it looked like you replaced all of the links.i was almost done fixing everything on my car, 69k original miles,and would you believe it the reverse gear totally let go,im bummed now,need a complete rebuild,cuz no one wants to just fix the reverse gear,but it drives and shifts forward very well.