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Old 07-24-2011, 08:44 PM
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Early Warning for W124 Alternator Failure

My 93 300TE has displayed rapid changes in the coolant temp, from about "78" to about "88", like a light switch. I thought I had a skinned wire grounding out, or maybe a sticking thermostat, or a slipping belt.

So I tightened the belt, did not back off the tensioner lock bolt enough, stripped the adjustment. Replaced tensioner, found fan bearing bracket bearings failing, and also water pump hard to turn. Replaced both (water pump is an all day activity). And replaced original thermostat twice.

Finally would stay on about 78 most of the time. Then on the way to work, ABS light on, then SRS, then AC shuts off, then starts running rough, then dies within 1/2 mile. Voltmeter on battery reads 6.5 volts.

Turned out to be alternator brushes, which of course never caused idiot light to stay on. But from an electrical standpoint it makes sense. As the brushes touched or did not touch, the voltage changed quickly, and the guage responded, being a simple series circuit.

So if your coolant temp on a W124 is twitching, reach for the back of the alternator. One of the few places under the hood with plenty of space to work... And the regulator / brushes are simple to change - two screws. By the way, the voltage across the battery won't be the 14.1 - 14.2 you might be used to on Detroit iron. MB at that time liked 13.6. And now my temp is 88 (splits the top of the 8 in 80).
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Old 07-24-2011, 09:11 PM
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Do you think this would apply to an 87 like mine? I'm not having problems, but its good to know the warning signs.
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Old 07-24-2011, 09:11 PM
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:09 AM
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Voltage Regulator

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Do you think this would apply to an 87 like mine? I'm not having problems, but its good to know the warning signs.
My charge light flicked on and off from time to time. I took out my old voltage regulator and found the brushes worn down about 50% after 113k. A new regulator seemed to fix the issue. Noticed the voltage was a bit under 14 volts too but was good enough! Simple repair!
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:26 AM
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If your (electric) temperature gauge fluctuates during varying alternator load, it means that the engine-to-body ground is faulty.

The sensor is grounded to the engine, and the gauge to the body. A faulty ground causes the engine to be at a different potential than the body.

So you fixed one problem, but another remains.
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Old 07-25-2011, 01:43 AM
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Which grounds would you check?

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Old 07-25-2011, 02:07 AM
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I've had this happen multiple times when my stock alternator was eating brushes. Car ran almost 40 miles on battery power each time (go Optima!). Started with one idiot light and then the rest tumbled. Was able to drive for about 15 minutes once all the lights came on.

The OP's problem with the coolant gauge was resolved with a new alternator. I recall having similar twitches with the coolant gauge when my brushes were going out.
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Hmm, my '93 300TD was giving 14.2V with an original looking Bosch regulator even with worn out bushes, the replacement regulator gave 14.0V....

Not having a thermostat in it when I got the car used to cause the temp gauge to flutter wildly though.....
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My early warning was cruise control shutoff at 70 mph. Got my attention.
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