Trying to help a guy out in a nearby town and rode down to check it out this morning. Seems he tried to use a booster pack to start his S500. Now when you follow the procedure in the manual for jump starting it does nothing but blow the yellow fuse as pointed out in the picture. Does anyone know what circuit this fuse is protecting? Also, is 20amp the proper rating. We could not find the fuse chart for the car. Any wiring schematic or fuse identifier would be appreciated. I'm thinking this is an over voltage protection relay board that the fuse is plugged into. Does anyone know the proper name for it?

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Jim

It's the front pre-fuse F32. Fuse #9 (20A) powers the load side of the starter relay.

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He musta fried that circuit. I'll start by troubleshooting it. I have got to get off the pocketbook and pick up an SDS system with WIS, etc... to make this stuff easier (or will it). I suspect he probably kept the booster pack hooked up and cranked the heck outa the starter. Won't be surprised to find a burned up starter.

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Jim

Another question. Has anyone seen what all is damaged if someone was to hook up the booster backwards when they tried to start it? Talking to the tow truck driver the owner tried to use a booster on it and I'm not sure the guy knew which way to hook it up. The book clearly says NOT to use one of those booster packs on the car during start up. Anyones experience in seeing all the damage done during these scenarios would be appreciated.

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Jim

I need to ask this another way.

Without the SDS Star system would I stand a snowballs chance in the Mojave to repair this car?

The only thing I could do right now would be to inspect all the wiring associated with the starter. I did come up with a wiring schematic for the car but it is kinda cumbersome. Anyone know the number assigned to the starter relay box? Where is it located on the car?

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Jim

That's a good question. I'm afraid I can't answer it though, because I've never tried (and wouldn't want to) to diagnose any modern MB without SDS.

sounds like a nightmare. would hate to have a brand new car like the s550 and this happen.

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Jim, the owner of that 2007 S550 should call for help when he has a problem because apparently he knows nothing about cars, or at least MB automobiles. In the picture of the failed battery the positive terminal is clearly marked with a "+". How do you hook up a booster pack backwards? I suspect the booster pack has visible warning labels about the correct cable orientation.

Good luck sorting out that problem. If I were you I would have the car towed to the nearest MB dealer, and have the owner bite the bullet. Consider it an expensive "learning experience".

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Thanks Ferdman, unfortunately, that + terminal tag had actually been installed over the - terminal of the battery. It was evident when I got there to take a look at it because obviously the - cable is bolted to the steel of the car in close proximity to the battery.

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Jim, the "+" is pressed/stamped into the top of the battery and clearly shows in the thumbnail picture you attached to Post #9. Any knowledgeable MB owner should know that the negative terminal is ground.

I guess your friend is one of those people who reads the Owner's Manual after suffering from a self-induced problem. My first instinct would be that using a booster would be OK if connected properly, but I would have checked the Owner's Manual before assuming anything.

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Doesn't the owner have any warranty left? Its only 4 model years old, guess he didn't spring for the extended!

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The owner is originally from Vietnam and his english is marginal. I have not found anything obvious. I do plan on waiting for the AutoLogic rep to come by and hook it up to see what it says. Otherwise, I'll advise the owner to have it hauled up to the dealer (80 miles away). I'm still going to be curious what exactly they end up finding. It would be interesting to see if MB designed it so that when this happens it would ONLY take out the pre-fuse. I'm thinking it may well be something internal to the pre fuse that may have gone bad but I was unable to open it up to inspect it.

I did find a bare spot on the small wire going to the starter solenoid. Taped it up and there was no difference.

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I had the AutoLogic guy come by and hook up the their scanner and came up with the following code:

Battery Control Module
B1014
Event consumer shut off is active.

That is the only hard fault we got.

I'll do a search on it here shortly and see what else I can come up with.

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I should have WIS on the S550 first of next week along with a laptop/scanner I picked up. If I can get my hand on schematics/location layout I'll be fine. I used my laptop/scanner I picked up for BMW's today on an 03 745i. I had a hard fault of ECM cooling fan and ran diagnostics on everything else. It was towed into the local repair shop after a no start. That was the only time it had a no start issue. Other than that the owner wants the oil leaks fixed (at ~116k miles) which reading up on the net sounds common for this car. I told the shop owner to give him my number and I'd try to help out.

On another note I am going to the high end body shops within about a 30 mile radius and let them know I can help out to some degree in regards to doing adaptations, etc.... on MB and BMW. The opportunity for import repair is wide open around here. I don't plan on working more than about 2 or 3 days a week so I'm only going to set up about 30 clients and let that be it.

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Got the necessary information I need and I'm finally back in the hunt on this one. Pulled the last relay on the line to the alternator and found a short with minimum resistance in that circuit. I'm going to pull the alternator off, test the wiring and then have the alternator tested. I'm thinking I'm going to find a fried alternator.

Since picking up my new "tools" I am excited about having it the box. This is some good stuff that I am finding quite easy to use. The electonic schmatics are somewhat cumbersome to maneuver but I'll get there. I did have to break down and pick up a wireless router. It kinda reminds me when I used to wring out circuits on controls for steam boilers/turbines but everything is closer to where they terminate. On those systems the sensor may be 15 stories from the terminal strip where the wire terminates at the computer end.

I'm impressed with the electronic stuff but again, I think they will be in the junkyards sooner than the old 123/126/124 cars because of the electronics. I guess someone will be rebuilding these modules soon enough, kinda like the old cruise control units.

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