thanks for all the info.... and yes a modern tdi does do the wife good...lol.... but for some odd reason she said you can sell the tdi.. but dont touch the camper..lol ..go figure... so from what i was just reading... the 190d with the 2.5 might be a good choice.. since they have somehow been immune from the timing chain breakage ? i know that they are smaller i guess... but i would assume its a little bit bigger than the golf.. any info on what years for the 190d with the 2.5?