i've seen those tire lips on the dunlop sp5000. i like that tire a lot too - drove a friend's camry that had been shod in 205 55 16's (coincidence?). tire rack has these mille miglia "bellos" with an MB center cap which is kinda growing on me. i am partial to the spoke or spoke like arrangements for ease of cleaning as well as looks. the stocks i'll keep but will be using for snows). thanks for all the help!