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Old 10-04-2006, 10:35 AM
John Holmes III
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Originally Posted by dacia View Post
We are not here to offer the "world" some kind of "value”, we are here because of a biological event (reproduction) and we live this short life any way, shape, or form we want. If that chosen path includes not having compassion for strangers who are you to say that is right or not?
I don't hear you expressing the same sentiment about the hundreds of thousand of Iraqis the US government wiped out, but of course they are just collateral damage.
He has the right to express his opinion about different people, different cultures, hell, he even has the right to be "racist' if he wants to. Your right is to convey your differing view, but none of you has the right to say that he cannot state his opinion. The only person around here that can take away that opportunity (not his right) is the mod.

As to the Amish looking weird, sure they do, it depends on what background you look at them from. Do they have the right to look that way? Sure they do, just as Kamil has the right to express his opinion. You don’t like it though *****. It seems that certain people around here want to take it upon themselves to decide what other people can say. Freedom of speech? Right, of course as long as the opinion jives well with the 50 or 60 somethings, the old farts, the hypocrites who don’t think twice to make racial insult about Asians or Muslims or Mexicans or Native Indians because driving some old clunker of a Benz, worth a few bucks, somehow gives them special privilege when it comes to offering opinions or making comments.

As to the guy amassing an arsenal, it is clearly as much a fault of his diseased mind as it is the fault of the gun lobby, the sick infatuation that a lot of people seem to have with guns. It is exceedingly difficult to commit mass murder with a kitchen knife. So keep producing those hand guns, those assault rifles and keep making coffins, you will need them for some time to come.
Young people are desensitized to violence, there is not much else on primetime television these days. Kamil is the product of a TV generation, he was brought up in schools with liberal educational values, if you don't like the result don't blame him, blame your schoolboards and lawmakers for taking away teachers' and parents' right to discipline students.

The media, led by cetain groups, is as much at fault here. There is no news like bad news. If it bleeds it leads, etc.

As to some of the Amish, here is an article that you may have missed.
Read the article below, it is a long one but well worth the read. Somehow fearing god doesn’t curtail the sexual appetite in certain circles. Catholic priests anyone?


Good, god-fearing people they must be, they are religious and devoted after all.

http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2005/feature_labi_janfeb05.msp

“LAST MARCH, A DETECTIVE IN WISCONSIN phoned trooper Janice Wilson to tell her about statements that Mary and her family had made about rampant incest in the Amish community in which they grew up. That community is in New Wilmington, Pa., near where Wilson works. When she started investigating, she was stunned to hear reports of extensive sexual abuse, and of births resulting from incest.”

”Amish insiders say the problem is so common that a bishop in the area has preached against it. Johnny Byler said that, growing up in Lawrence County, he thought it was normal to have sex with his sister. "Other kids would talk about it," Johnny said. When I asked Mary's cousin, David Wengerd, whether he had molested his sister in addition to Mary, as Mary has charged, he responded, "I'd rather not answer."

“When Anna turned 11, she told me, her 19-year-old brother began molesting her, stopping just short of intercourse. When he moved away, another 17-year-old brother started raping her. (The court documents involving Anna's family are sealed.) Anna didn't try to stop her brothers at first. "You don't tell your brothers, who are so much older than you, No," she said. But when she got her period at 13 and realized she could have a baby, she started fighting back. "He would make sure he put a lot of pressure on my top so I couldn't breathe," she said of the younger brother.”

“When a social worker visited Anna's home, Anna told her about the sexual abuse. She also reported that her parents were moving the family to Pennsylvania. Laurie Roberts, one of the social workers on Anna's case in Ohio, said she was taught in training that sexual abuse among the Amish is pervasive, and seldom reported. (The problem is significant enough that the counties near Knox publish a pamphlet to educate the Amish about sexual abuse.) Yet the county left Anna in her home. "Oh Gosh, I wish I could get it in those C.S. people that my parents will absolutely kill me now," Anna wrote at the time to a cousin who had left the Amish. The social workers "say you'll have to be hurt by them before we'll do anything about it," she continued.”

Can you spare some compassion for Mary and Anna?


Alex
I love my old clunker, a 190SL with 36k miles.

My check for NRA dues went out a few days ago, and I'm looking forward finally bagging that elusive 9 point buck this year. Yummy, I can't wait to have some venison burgers.

Have to go now, I'm off to the gun range.
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