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Originally Posted by jlomon
Hunting = diabetes? Do you have any empirical data for this trend?
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.Would those handguns you mention be anything like the handguns that appear in your avatar? Maybe I'm just stupid, but that cartoon sure appears g a regular basis, is very low. You act like sport hunting is as common as drivto be glorifying gun culture. Weren't you the one talking about the hypocrisy of some board members earlier in this thread? Hello, pot? This is the kettle....
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Adult onset diabetes is clearly contributable to sedentary lifestyle (although natives may be predisposed to type I as well), so the very low level exercise involved in modern day hunting compared to their traditional way of collecting food may have been a contributing factor in the extensive problem those communities are facing today. Hence my comment.
That duck also has a huge beer gut, has a cigarette hanging out of its mouth and wears an East-LA style gangbanger’s apparel. Yet it doesn’t promote binge drinking, smoking or gangbanging. It is a caricature, and a funny one at that.
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Originally Posted by mikemover
The percentage of our population that actually hunts, especially on anything resembling a regular basis, is very low. You act like sport hunting is as common as driving or cell phone use or something! 
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It is not the number of number of hunters, it is the principal. In cities hunters may not be a large part of the population, on the countryside it is a different story. American hunters are flooding into Canada for bear hunts every year, not to mention other large game. It is clearly an ego boost, serves no other purpose.
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Originally Posted by mikemover
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Handguns are also used for recreational and competitive target shooting, etc... And there are a few who use large revolvers for hunting...
But that's beside the point.
Handguns ARE for self-defense. And if that self-defense escalates to the point of killing a violent criminal, then so what?... An innocent victim has been spared, and the gene pool has been improved. Where's the downside?
Additionally, in most cases where a handgun was used in self-defense, a shot was not even fired. More often than not, merely the sight of the weapon and/or the sound of the weapon's action, is sufficient to send the criminal running with his tail between his legs. This was true of the incident I personally experienced as well. One look at my .45 instantly sent the piece of human $h!t running for his life. Although I was quite ready and willing to do so, I didn't have to fire a shot.
Of course you never hear about this fact in the news, because most of them have the same mindless anti-gun bias that you do, and they believe their own paranoid, "all guns are inherently bad" propaganda.
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If you never hear about that fact then what evidence do you have to back that claim?
I don’t have a mindless anti-gun bias, I simply realize the fact that America’s violence is clearly contributable to the readily available guns. No matter how you twist the argument the fact is none of the recent massacres could have been committed without the easily available guns and assault rifles. The Montreal massacre (14 women died) 17 years ago was committed with a rifle, John Mohamad's sniper shooting a couple of years back, the Columbine massacre etc. were all the result of the lack of effective gun control.
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Criminals WILL find ways to commit crimes no matter WHAT you do... Until you find a cure for human nature, guns will ALWAYS be essential for self-defense and law enforcement.
Although I am not a "collector", I do own guns for self-defense and for the simple enjoyment of their engineering and craftsmanship.
I am a highly responsible owner, exercising the utmost in safety habits, and every other gun owner that I know is exactly the same.
Mike
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According to Canadian laws (US laws may be different), your gun supposed to be locked away in safe storage separate from its ammunition, can only be transported to the shooting range with the appropriate permission from the police. How were you able to threaten the criminal with your gun when it was safely locked away?
It is a sad state of affairs when you feel that the only way you can feel safe in your home or community is by packing “heat”. No other nation follows the same path (Canada has strict hand gun control laws and most of its hand gun violence is attributable to guns smuggled up from the States) . There is something inherently wrong with a society where one has so much fear of his fellow citizens that he feels the need to be armed at all times. Your taxes are obviously going to waste if you feel that the police can’t protect you.
In any case the argument is pointless, you feel the need to have a gun, I have never had the urge. I couldn’t care less what people collect, but the fact is hand guns and assault rifles are used to kill people, they have no other purpose as it has been demonstrated time and time again. You look at it as a self defense instrument I look at it as a murder waiting to happen.
Maybe a “few” nutjobs (thousands of murders are committed with guns every year, I think it is more than a “few”) ruin it for the “responsible” ones, the fact is we have speed limits because most people don’t have the ability or the inclination to drive fast ,and their safety is more important than the urge of the few to burn rubber every time they sit behind the wheel. It is the reality.
Most of those murdered in the mentioned massacres would be alive today had in not been for the gun manufacturers and the gun lobby.
People sue cigarette makers for damages, they sure as hell should sue gun manufacturers for wrongful deaths.
Alex