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Originally Posted by cmac2012
Sutherland is making a good living satisfying the primal urges of all sorts of armchair warriors who imagine that nothing is off limits when it comes to interrogating them damn Ay-rabs, most all of Al Qaeda, of course. In the process he's giving many upper brass fits cause of guys like the Abu Gharib night crew who get imbued with a belief that the harsher the torture, the more likely one is to get useful info, just like they saw on "24."
This has been pretty much disproved many times. But don't try to tell that to "24" fans.
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Why should anything be off limits to those that don't have any limits to us? What about playing by the rules that people follow? Oh, never mind. If we are harsh to them, they will be harsh to us, right? So it follows that if we are nice to our captives they will be nice to our captives? Has that fallacy worked yet in that theater? Of course the brass is having fits. Because people like you are objecting to it and causing a stink and crap rolls downhill.
Torture hasn't worked? In what sense? To get a confession? Probably not. However, if you are so certain, why don't we play a game and see? We'll have someone tell you a number from 1-10000 and I'll torture the info out of you. You think the CIA would send captives to other countries that are less squeamish about torture to extract info because they want to give the captive a change of scenery if it cannot yield info? Yes, sometimes there is no info to give. However, in the long run, if it will save you or your buddy, why not?
Torture works on the principle of "We do this to avoid that." That is what people have been doing. Very simple. I have seen people forced out of jobs because the boss didn't like them. How? Well, boss made conditions difficult so the employee decides to walk. Boss gets what they want and the employee does it. Let me ask you this. The drunk that hit my car and caused me over $9000 damage and inconvenience. You think he would be alive today if that principle wasn't true. If Bush promised me a pardon, you think that after I found out he was hurt badly and DRUNK, I wouldn't have fluffed up his pillow so he sleeps better and more importantly, longer? It is based on me wanting to avoid the jail time (torture) that I did something else (not killed him). Torture is about creating discomfort until compliance is met. You think I would work if there was no money in it or I was independently wealthy? Definitely not. I work to avoid being destitute and maybe later on, a prostitute. IOW, I do this to avoid that. Just like I spill the beans to avoid more pain.