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Old 07-17-2007, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by dacia View Post
I beg to differ.
India is a country where people routinely, and horribly, maim their children so they can be better beggars, where families live on sidewalks, where people don't have enough money to buy firewood so the dead are thrown into the Ganges half burnt, where people still practice female infanticide because girls are a liability to the family (obliged to give huge dowry when they get married), where the cast system is still alive and well, etc, etc.
An interesting movie to watch is Shocking Asia, a German documentary (not a recent production, however time is moving in a snail's pace in a few Asian countries).

"While India's growth makes it an economic and political player to watch in the next decades, the country remains desperately poor. Almost a quarter of India's 1.1 billion people live on less than $1 a day; 700 million more live on less than $2 a day.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/08/opinion/edhughes.php"

"According to the 1996 Human Development Report, 53 per cent of Indian children under five were underweight. 67 per cent of Indian births were unattended by health personnel. 64 per cent of Indian women were illiterate. Average these to get our Capability Poverty Measure (CPM): 61.5. That made us 89th among 101 developing countries the HDR ranked that year by their CPM."

"Income Levels and Poverty:

With over a quarter of the world's poor concentrated in India, poverty is the government's biggest priority.
Classified as a "low income" country by the World Bank with a GNI (gross national income) of $450.
Great inequality in the distribution of wealth: the richest tenth of households hold 33% of wealth, while the poorest tenth only hold 3%
29% of the population lives below the poverty line; 70% of these people reside in rural areas
86% of the population lives under $2 per day; 44% lives under $1 per day
25% of the population does not have enough money to eat adequately"

"Trafficking in persons:
current situation: India is a source, destination, and transit country for men, women, and children trafficked for the purposes of forced or bonded labor and commercial sexual exploitation; the large population of men, women, and children - numbering in the millions - in debt bondage face involuntary servitude in brick kilns, rice mills, and embroidery factories, while some children endure involuntary servitude as domestic servants; internal trafficking of women and girls for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced marriage also occurs; the government estimates that 90 percent of India's sex trafficking is internal; India is also a destination for women and girls from Nepal and Bangladesh trafficked for the purpose of commercial sexual exploitation; boys from Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are trafficked through India to the Gulf states for involuntary servitude as child camel jockeys"
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html

"Focus (1): India

As John-Thor Dahlburg points out, "in rural India, the centuries-old practice of female infanticide can still be considered a wise course of action." (Dahlburg, "Where killing baby girls 'is no big sin'," The Los Angeles Times [in The Toronto Star, February 28, 1994.]) According to census statistics, "From 972 females for every 1,000 males in 1901 ... the gender imbalance has tilted to 929 females per 1,000 males. ... In the nearly 300 poor hamlets of the Usilampatti area of Tamil Nadu [state], as many as 196 girls died under suspicious circumstances [in 1993] ... Some were fed dry, unhulled rice that punctured their windpipes, or were made to swallow poisonous powdered fertilizer. Others were smothered with a wet towel, strangled or allowed to starve to death."
"A study of Tamil Nadu by the Community Service Guild of Madras similarly found that "female infanticide is rampant" in the state, though only among Hindu (rather than Moslem or Christian) families. "Of the 1,250 families covered by the study, 740 had only one girl child and 249 agreed directly that they had done away with the unwanted girl child. More than 213 of the families had more than one male child whereas half the respondents had only one daughter." (Malavika Karlekar, "The girl child in India: does she have any rights?," Canadian Woman Studies, March 1995.) "
http://www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html

So you are either purposely misrepresent the facts to protect the image of India (not the first time somebody from a third world country would do that even if you live in the US; if you were born in America you would have little reason to distort the truth unless India is more important to you than the US) or sadly misinformed.
Which one?

Regarding the religion issue, I wonder if the Indian Parliament would allow Christians to worship in the Indian House of Commons?


Alex

Have you ever been to India? Some friends of mine have gone there a few times doing charity work. We were talking about India over dinner, and I was surprised that even people who have been there had such a skewed view of the country. Like most Americans, they viewed India as full of terribly poor people and a few super rich. I was shocked when I mentioned something about India's middle class and one of them said, "really, there's a middle class? I didn't really see any." India's middle class is over 450 million people, 100 million more people than all of America.
American/Europeans go there prejudging, looking for what they want to find. And they'll find it. You can't have 1.1 billion people crammed into a space barely bigger than Texas and not run into poverty and the bad things poverty lends people to do. It also should be no surprise that there are plenty of uneducated people - if our government tried to provide education for a billion people it would collapse.
It's sad that any children are killed because of their gender. But that shouldn't paint all of India as a gender killing nation. Your article has 196 babies dying under suspicious circumstances in one year. While that is 196 too many, there were hundreds of thousands of children born, and the whole country has to bear the label of a few?
One of your citations also mentions that a 1/4 of the population is poor. That's 250 million people. The United States has 300 million people and is much richer than India. Naturally there are no poor people in America, right? People who write articles about Indians 'routinely maim their children' are absurdly stupid and ignorant. For the record, not one of my uncles/cousins/nieces/nephews (and in India, a cousin is a brother, a second cousin is a cousin -- I've got a big family) is maimed. Or begs. Or has killed a girl child.

I'm sure there's no exploitation of children in America either, considering how few people they have to police and the vast increase of resources relative to India. Rather than disdain India for not being as rich a country as ours, maybe trying to understand it before judging would be good.

As for the religion question, India is the 2nd most populous Muslim country in the world. There are many Christians, Jews, and every other faith in India, and there have been more prayers than just Hindu in Parliament. In fact, Christians are generally highly regarded in India for their charitable work with the poor. In India, there isn't really a concept of a dominant religion. Sure, Hinduism has it's ignorant fanatics like every other religion, but for the most part, Hinduism doesn't have a 'mine's the only right one and you better join me' attitude. Gandhi held prayer services with prayers from all religions.
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