well, i THOUGHT i only had to turn it 90 degrees; seems like thats the way it worked last time i drained it. the radiator is only 2 yrs old. its not the easiest thing in the world to turn, but '..vee haff our vays....'

i tried to pull the lower hose off, but found it tough to get it un-stuck from the neck all the way around, like where you cant even reach. maybe i'll try bending the coat hanger wire around so i can slip it between the neck and the hose.

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dan