I bought my Subaru at Carmax. It wasn't the best deal in the world, but it is a good car. The only way a dealer will give you close to KBB on anything is if they are making lots of profit on whatever they are selling you - try selling them the car without buying anything and see what I mean. Even if they buy a "creampuff", they will still have to put some money into the car to get it ready for sale, and people coming in won't want to pay much more than KBB to buy it.

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1984 300TD