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LUVMBDiesels · #57 01-26-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

They can wiretap a citizen without a warrant? I didn't know that.

IIRC, the Democrat minority in the senate was clambering for DHS before the Administration got on board with it. I'm sure that assumption would be easy to prove wrong.

What is wrong with Northcom?

What is wrong with ID cards?

I'm with you on medical decisions. Same with the gays stuff. Nobody's business but your own. It's the age-old question of who owns your body -- you or the State.

Say it with me..."There is NOTHING wrong with the Department of Homeland Security" We are the Government and we are here to help. Seriously I work for DHS and we are trying to get things done. the entire Department is only a few years old and has not even been fully integrated yet. It is made up of 22 different services and agencies for crying out loud

The REAL-ID is an initiative to get a driver's license that actual can be used as an ID It will require that people going for a license have real documents detailing their citizenship status. You can be a citizen, resident alien, H1-B non-immigrant worker, anything as long as you are LEGALLY in this country. It is designed so that you could use this ID to cross the border, get into airports, federal buildings, etc. I see nothing wrong with it. What it will not do is force every state to adopt the exact same license or anything like that. It is not a FEDERAL ID or a NATIONAL ID CARD. States can even opt out of the program, but those states licenses will not be valid ID at an airport or to cross into Canada. Seems like a no-brainer to me to adopt the REAL-ID program.

The patriot Act is a pain in the A$$, but it is an important part of national security. Ask anybody who works in the financial industry about the pain of implementing Patriot Act regulations. You now need proof of who you are before you can open an account to trade stocks and other securities. You also need to track people making trades to make sure that they are not coming from a country such as Iran or Cuba and that there are no outstanding warrants on them for crimes like terrorism.

The wiretapping thing was stopped. You have to remember that illicit non-court-ordered wiretaps were normal procedure for the FDR, Truman, Kennedy and Johnson administrations. I guess people forget about that.

I agree that this administration has been down the wrong path a lot of the time. The 9/11 attack and aftermath seems to have been too much for GWB to handle. However, cutting and running is NOT the answer any more than Bill Clinton throwing a couple cruise missiles at Osama after the USS Cole was attacked.