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Old 02-25-2008, 08:35 PM
Skippy Skippy is offline
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Originally Posted by DieselAddict View Post
I never advocated some slime tactic or runaround legal procedure that would ban all guns. The registration system, if implemented as I intended, would never go after law-abiding gun owners.
That's nice, however you do realize that once a registration scheme is in place, whoever's in power after you still has access to that information. Giving the politicians power doesn't mean they will use it in the way you intend.

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As far as outright bans go sometimes they do make sense locally.
No, they don't. Have you seen the crime statistics for Washington, D.C. lately?

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In cities with very high gang violence I think a gun ban makes sense if the gang members are mostly killing each other.
I disagree. I think taking away the means of self defense of those who are not gang members/criminals is a bad idea.

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A gun ban allows the local police to confiscate the guns and arrest these individuals preventively even if these gang members have no prior criminal record.
Many gang members are under 21. It is already illegal for those under 21 to have a handgun. Those gang members who have survived to age 21 often already have felony convictions. It is already illegal for a convicted felon to have a gun. Gang members almost always conceal their weapons, and even those few who might qualify don't bother getting CCW permits. In all states except Vermont and Alaska (neither of which has any major gang problems) it is illegal to carry concealed without a permit. Inner city police have lots of problems-lack of reasons to arrest gang members is not one of them.

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Whether these local gun bans are in contradiction with the vaguely worded 2nd amendment is up to the Supreme Court to decide, not you.
Heller vs District of Columbia is headed for SCOTUS as we speak. And I don't find the wording of the second amendment to be the list bit vague.

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In the meantime, if you are truly a law abiding citizen as you claim to be, then you just have to respect and follow the local laws that are on the books or move somewhere else that's more to your liking.
That might be why I live in northern Nevada.


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In summary there's no evidence that shows that a gun ban or plentiful guns always lead to more or less violence. Like I said each location is unique and it has more to do with the mentality of the people there, and less with whether they have guns. Guns are a very gray issue, not black and white like many people see them.
More guns=less crime. See Jon Lott
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