What you call surrender is the will of the people.

Eventually the people have a collective wisdom that supercedes the leaders unwise choices.

Too bad it has cost us so much for this unwise choice.

It could be argued that by being drawn into an unending mideast war we have actually surrendered to the desires of Al Queada.

Tom W

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