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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy
Bush is doing all of the above, and allies are often worthless. France may come around, but we can't wait for them.
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True, we currently have few worthy allies because of Bush's arrogance and go-it-alone mentality. Look how different the first Gulf War was under Bush Sr.'s leadership. He was a much better diplomat than his son.
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Originally Posted by pj67coll
Given the uselessness of our intelligence gathering agencies that's a pretty damm huge expectation, quite apart from the fact that civilizational clash's are not simply intelligence gathering police operations.
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I don't know what planet you live on but there is no civilization clash on this one, except in Al-Qaeda's, Bush's and a few of his supporters' brains. Fighting terrorism is all about intelligence gathering, especially infiltrating suspect groups. The alternative is to attack random countries, spend trillions in the process and further fuel the hatred toward us. Intelligence could have prevented 9/11 if some people only read their memos. Remember the Bin Laden determined to strike US memo in August of 2001? Or the knowledge we had about suspected terrorists training in flight schools? And what did Bush do? He was chopping down trees and chasing squirrels at his ranch in Texas.