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Originally Posted by RichC
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That is typical thinking for a right wing guy.
What I said was we do not need all this excess.
Public transportation
Alternative fuels
Wind and solar power
Reducing the amount we consume
That is the way I would suggest we get to energy independence.
Your nut job ideas of nuclear power plants and drilling for oil in
the gulf just show your limited way of thinking.
It is not all about money and power.
You do not need a Hummer.
And quit blaming others for your problems.
I have said it in the first post.
Right wing nut jobs trying to blame Democrats.
And you prove it in your post.
Your self centered views have no end.
Like a little child that just wants more and more.
Where does it end ?
First we conquer the middle east for its oil.
Then we have a timber shortage so we take over Canada?
Realize that you are the problem, and that you have to make the
changes that are necessary to solve the problem.

RichC
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Thanks for the personal attack and analysis.
I would bet my carbon footprint is smaller than yours.
Lets take your pie-in-the-sky idealism one point at a time:
Public transportation---Will work for some, but not all. Unless you are going to mandate that people live only in cities and get permission to live in rural areas. In my job, I carry a radioactive device for work--I am not permitted to use public transportation.
Alternative fuels--OK, but there is a price to pay--Have you seen the rise in corn products since so much is used for ethanol production? Is this cost accounted for?
Wind and solar---OK, but realistically speaking, what % of the solution do they represent? If you cannot see how nuclear power can save oil, than how will wind and solar contribute? Also the Elitist will not allow wind farms to be built if it spoils theie view--think Kennedy and Streisand.
I am all for reducing the amount of power I consume. I drive fuel efficient cars- ( No Hummer--hate them!), but it would be arrogant of me to determine how much fuel and energy you require. Just as it is arrogant of Al Gore to use waste energy while telling me to conserve. My house is about 1200 SF so my impact is not large.
The problem is government types--people who think government should contrrol all resources and parcel them out as they deem appropriate that is the problem.
You say we conquer the middle easr for its oil---so how much oil have we taken in our time in Iraq?
For the foreseable future OIL is the energy source. We need to be loking at alternatives, but solar and wind are not nearly sufficient. We keep hearing that practical electric cars are almost here. But I've been hearing that for 40 years, and still electric cars are impractical for most people. Proponents of electric cars still have not solved the dispoasl issue--so it is simply ignored when they talk so glowingly about them.
Do you really think the Chinese, with their awakening industry will go solar and wind powered?
Do you see yourself as a left-wing nut??
Your impratical utopianism makes me laugh!