Originally Posted by rcounts

How can you say there has been exactly the same amount of energy since the beginning, and in the next breath say that we continually loose (even a tiny bit) of energy - those are contradictory statements.

Every thing I learned in physics, chemistry, etc. supports the first statement, and that it CHANGES, but not that any of it is ever LOST.

The definition of Entropy that I learned is that all organized systems, absent any outside influence, become increasingly disorganized.

Dissipation of heat from a solid object into a gas - the object being cooled by air for example - is an example of entropy applied in thermodynamics. The molecules of the solid are more organized than the molecules of the air. The energized (hot) molecules of the solid (more organized) transfer their energy into the gas (less organized). Therefore the energy moves from a more organized to a less organized state. HOWEVER, none of it is lost. Not one iota.

If energy could be lost into nothingness, the balance that you are referring to as a support for your argument would also mean that the opposite can be accomplished - that energy can be drawn from nothingness - i.e. created.

And that is the very idea you are arguing against (and physics supports the argument that it isn't possible).

I think you have just looped back on yourself like a snake eating his tail, Rich - you're making conflicting arguments. Not saying you are wrong about there being no energy created, but if you think that there has ever been any energy that was truly lost, then that part I have to disagree with. And I think just about every physicist of any repute who ever lived would disagree as well.