new pads installed, and all is well. It took me a little while to figure out how to work the OEM jack(good floor jack is being borrowed). Finally figured out it goes in those little holes on the side, i was having a heck of a time trying to get it to press up agains the rubber "mats" on the bottom! Oddly enough, for all the noise they were making, my old pads had alot of life left in them. They were probably 1/4 inch thick! I can actually notice a differance in pedal feel and braking with the new pads though. I can't remember if i did econo pads on the front, and i think i did. IF i can actually remember or find the receipt that tells me i did econo on the front i'm going to redo those with good pads. Next thing on my list is to replace the brake hoses, there are cracks in them, but they arent leaking-yet. Had a heck of a time getting the caliper bolts out though, someone had lock-tite'd them in!!
thanks for the help bill
Ryan

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83 300SD.......sold
96 integra SE....sold
99 a4 quattro....sold
2001 IS300.......sold
2002 330i.........current.
2004 highlander limited....current.