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Old 07-11-2008, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Howitzer View Post
I'm not the one playing Dr. with what works and doesn't you are, however I've spent countless hours in pain management groups with patients and doctors, while you and Aklim are trying to make sense out of your minute knowledge of chronic pain based on a couple experiences of your own.

The bottom line is if a person gets relief from something it works, many say acupuncture works while others say it is purely in the patients mind, in either case if the pain is relieved the procedure worked.

here's a link where the cure stomach ulcers http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/research/story/0,,740721,00.html

Why don't you provide a link to contradict me?
So you spent hours with them. Good for you. Bottom line in the eyes of the law, neither of us are licensed to diagnose or treat, right? So why ask about our medical degrees? Without one, what makes your observation any more valid? Your countless hours of layperson observation? Your abrasive tactics?

How do you define "works"? Will opiates work for pretty much everything? Probably will since I could dope the patient enough to the point that they feel nothing. However, by your definition, it works since the pain is now gone. So morphine cures a broke leg since the pain is gone, doesn't it? The principle is the same whatever you do. Band aid the problem doesn't make it go away if you don't know what caused it in the first place. Pain control without understanding the root cause is the refuge of a lazy practitioner or one who has run out of options.

A study last year looked at the results from double-blinded trials for stomach-ulcer medication around the world. The average placebo response rate was 35%, which was the figure for the US, but in Germany it shot up to 59%. In neighbouring Denmark, however, it dropped to 22%, while in Brazil it was just 7%. The reason for these differences is unknown.

Did I miss the part about the "cure"?
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