No, there has been NO "victory". Sorry. The best we have to hope for is a really well planned withdrawal that allows the Iraqi people to maintain a modicum of stability.

I fully understand what "victory" means. I know what "defeat" means. Iraq is neither. It is in that big gray area of "draw". nobody won, nobody lost [well, except for half a million Iraqi people and the families of all the American and Coalition troops who were killed or wounded].

Since we had a fully undefined mission, without an endgame, the very concept of "victory" is impossible. Only a rationalization of which degree of "draw" will allow folks to walk away with their heads held high. And I don't mean the troops, I mean the leadership. The troops did EVERYTHING asked of them. They can hold their heads up with honor. They did their jobs. Their leaders did not.

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