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Old 11-13-2008, 11:21 AM
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Exactly. It is my contention that the public has a natural right to any arms likely to be used against it by central powers. Either we need better access to fully automatic arms, chemical weapons, armored personel carriers and such or the State must abandon their use on the public.
I think the point is that even if the US Army gets in bed with a dictatorship they would be defeated if 70 or 80 or 120 million people rise up against it even armed with semi-auto rifles. Look at what the Red Chinese did in Korea. They had guys running into our lines without guns, just with pointed sticks and they ran over us.
Look at ther Viet Cong -- they mostly had bolt action rifles with some AK-47's but they caused hell for us.

The idea is numbers vs technology. No government will want to face the wrath of 100 million armed citizens.



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As to the other question, if the public wants and elects gay marriage and vegetarian policy, then so be it. I may not like it, but that is democracy. However, I'd like you to show me where those issues are recognized by the constitution.

I trust the public more than I trust govt.

I don't know if I trust the people as much as you do. If you look at Parlimentary type democracies, which is basically mob rule, they get themselves into trouble much more often than we do with our traditional checks and balances. I do like the idea of referendums to keep the legislature honest (if we had that power in NY they would NEVER have been able to sell the prison system to the NYS Thruway Authority and keep the tolls on the roads 20 years after they were paid off to finance Attica) as long as referendums are stll subject to rulings by the Supreme Court. Otherwise we could have a referendum to scrap the Bill of Rights, impose Veganism & etc... Of course if the Sups get packed by a certain ideology and that ideology also controls the other two branches of government, all bets are off.
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