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Originally Posted by kerry
1. I don't see the relevance of the Pentecostal comment. You were the one arguing that the Pentecostal influenced Jones, could not be a Christian, not me.
2. The odds of any of the written documents we have being written by eyewitnesses or based on eyewitness accounts are virtually nil.
3. As for Jews, there may have been a prohibition against suicide but for the longest time they had no belief in an afterlife, or at least an afterlife that was better than this life, so they had no temptation to suicide unlike early Christians who believed in a afterlife better than this life for believers.
4. I don't see how, on orthodox theology, Jesus' death is not a suicide and also a divine homicide at the same time. (The revolutionary suicide being a separate matter altogether).
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1. I didn't mention pentecostalists except for your obsession. Read it again.
2. So, .... absent any accounts that you would prefer or at least, than the ones that we have, your position is that we can ignore what we do have and just engage in a sort of conjecture?
3. Good we agree. The early Christians were Jews and the Jewish religion had (has) a strong prohibition against suicide. We can conjecture taht for some unknown reason, maybe some Christians somewhere may have been suicidal. But without any documentation we're back to the unsupported conjecture thingie.
4. According to the gospels, who took Jesus' life?
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