raymr I always had high hopes for Saturn but they are nothing like the imports. I have seen numerous Saturns just self destruct. Imports don't do that. (by imports I mean Toyota and Honda) and awsrock yeah Saab and Volvo haven't been the same but my favorite was Jaguar.....my God when ford took the escort or whatever it was and made Jaguar put their badges on it I thought England might declare war on us.