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Originally Posted by helpplease
Hope for both them and us and the international community and if we leave we will leave another safe haven for extemists to prosper those who hate the U.S.A. That is what I was talking about leaving and not setting up schools and roads and a central government will just leave a power vacuum that the Taliban will be all to happy to fill.
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I don't think the international community would be too upset if Afghanistan was left to fend for itself. What is the fascination with Afghanistan anyway? Why did the British try to conquer the region in the 19th century? It's like an ongoing battle over Montana or something...
The Taliban was in control before. Sure, it was by no means a humane government, if you want to call it that, but they didn't bother anyone internationally. The only reason we went in there was because they were supposedly harboring Bin Laden, and wouldn't turn him over to us.
But, why on earth would we listen to them? We have had him in our sights multiple times, but let him go. Do you think we listen to Pakistan when we go bomb their tribal regions weekly?
When Gorbachev decided to pull out of there, he asked the US for help to establish ANY sort of democratic government, so it would make the people of Russia feel somewhat productive after losing 10,000+ troops for nothing. The US said no; USSR warned against letting the Taliban take over; we let it happen. There are other countries in the region who dislike the Taliban and it actually affects them..therefore, they can deal with it.
Lastly, if we can't conquer mountainous tribal regions, what makes you think the Taliban can? Most of those people can stand up for themselves, they just choose not to because they probably don't have much problem with it. It's us that has the problem.
I know the US has the desire to keep any large scale Islamic state forming, but until they actually do and pose a threat to us, why do we have to be involved? We can easily defend ourselves. Instead, we are out trying to stop things from happening that might not even happen, although the more we try, the more it seems likely that people will turn against us.
I agree that more education would be helpful, but doing so with military force certainly isn't a good way to gain support.
Remember, there is a reason why "they" hate the USA. Maybe if we took that reason away, we wouldn't have any problems.