ahhh...thanks compress....i was only looking in the Tech Help section and not the diesel discussion....i didn't even think to look at the chewed up rocker arms...i numbered them all when i took them out....turns out #5, #6, and #8 were all the chewed up ones....and the hydraulic valve elements for #6 and #8 were popped out, now the #5 element wasn't popped out, but the clamp ring was loose and turning (all the others are firm)....thanks again compress