Dave, Ok will do what you suggest tommorrow. When i said it was fluttering, you did realize It was doing it with the engine not running. And for sh@# and giggles I'll also reverse the ICV to see if maybe it was put in upside down. And I'll also try what you suggested too smk texas. Trust me I'm not laughing at any idea at this point. Kinda getting tired of picking my tools from the neighbors yard from throwing them...ha ha ha ha ha ha thanks you guys.. post my results when i'm done.... Brent