So, does anyone here see how these guys can get out of this mess? I absolutely cannot see how they will ever recover. There must be many people out there that feel like I do..I grew up in the 60's and 70's with my father buying complete junk Chevys and Pontiacs brand new and then watching them disenigrate right in front of his/our eyes....just complete junk. I bought my first car in 1974, a 1966 VW Beetle and have never looked back. I don't think it's much more than arrogance on the sellers part and stupidity on the buyers side....