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Originally Posted by Billybob
Uh' perhaps if it where true! Surely a scholar such as you is capable of documenting a fact of two contained in this thus far completely unsubstantiated allegation? You know just little things like a timeline and an explanation as to what position Kissinger occupied that gave him the capacity to "sabotage" LBJ, maybe even the nature and extent of the "secret deal" with Nixon. But you'll have to do better than LBJ "of Tonkin Gulf fame/credibility" talking to someone on the phone and a line or two in one of his co-conspirators books though!
As to the "north" vietnam - china connection, you might note the brief border war between those two in the mid '70's, after the unification of north and south vietnam.”
So you are attempting to compare and contrast the material, manpower, and political support which the PRC provided and that the North Vietnamese enjoyed for more than a decade with this relatively insignificant border skirmish to make what point?
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I wasn't there but my take has been that Ho received a lot more help from Russia than China. The Vietnamese have been resisting being swallowed up by their much larger neighbor for a long time. Why would they establish a dependency on them?
As for Kissinger, I can easily imagine him exercising influence behind the scenes. I don't imagine he entered Nixon's gubmint as some kind of political virgin. Such machinations would be unllikely to be well documented.
I'm not sure if we know that LBJ knew of the G of Tonkin fraud.