Originally Posted by tonkovich

how can it be the "vision of the founding fathers" when only three people are involved?

(and of course, haven't we learned a lot since 1787? when women were property and so were all black people? and native americans had no rights? or even citiizenship)

sure, tell this guy to read the federalist papers. but do admit how limited they are.

Originally Posted by Billybob

My reference to the Federalist papers was not an endorsement of any particular view or the view of any particular man. It is the best collection of essay’s in which the authors during the course of their arguments intentionally and inadvertently pro and con their own positions and the positions of their political adversaries. Their value is as an insight to these arguments when they took place, not as reinterpreted by later historians.

Also interesting; but not nearly as cohesive a discourse; is the compilation of Borden’s Anti-Federalist Papers his attempt to juxtapose arguments in contemporaneous relevance. Unfortunately they where not authored as direct counterpoints but actually collected and arraigned almost 200 years later by Morton Borden.