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Originally Posted by pj67coll
Right there is the problem with the American thought process. Worrying about he "end game" before thinking intelligently about the origin and first steps.
Remember, it hasnt "turned out" yet at all. It's ongoing and will probably be ongoing for decades to come. We might cut and run now, or soon, but we will be back, wether you like it or not.
Getting rid of the blight on humanity that was AQ and their medieval sponsoring thugs was the right thing do to. But it needed to be done right. Which meant the US had to blitzkrieg the place with no concern for US casualties with the intention of swamping the AQ hideouts and shocking and awing these goons sufficiently that there was enough of a "wedge" in the place that "maybe" something positive could have been accomplished.
It's a big "maybe" I agree. However failure was garanteed by the pussyfied way Bush danced with the UN (Blairs doing) and worried so much about the US public not wanting to hear about losing troops in a far away dusty place that they tried to do it by proxy using local gangs to attempt to do our dirty work for us. Never having enough troops in country so that they taliban could see we were too weak to be feared thus effectively fought until such time as our resolve broke. An now finally telling them to just hang on a few more months and we'll hand victory to them on a silver platter.
So we will then be in a position of having one of the ugliest gang of criminals back running the country and if Pakistan becomes inhospitable (for whatever reason) to AQ, ready to provide them with another safe haven.
But that's ok apparently just as long as yanks can pretend we dont have to fight anymore.
Until next time that is...
- Peter.
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Sadly, this whole situation makes me realize that there's no country on earth that is mature enough to run its own affairs, let alone anyone else's.
I agree that our original premise for AFG was correct, but the execution was flawed. So was Iraq, also by a larger measure. Plus we allowed opportunists in there.
And yes, AQ is a blight. Granted the West has done some terrible things, but they rarely institutionalize them these days.
Curiously enough, the only countries that still have slavery are Ethiopia and Sudan, both run by radical Muslims. No offense, chilcutt, I put the radicals in the same wacko bag as the abortion shooters.
The larger political end game that was created during and after WW2 was at least a start, but there do not seem to be any political leaders who have more vision or savvy than a high-school football coach.
The UN is a bankrupt, bloated bureaucracy, and key national powers keep making silly political mistakes which just further complicate things.
And people who have the brain of a small rodent or Gila monster, but who also possess used AK-47s, updates 2 or n3 from the 70s (still going strong like an MB diesel) keep on spreading their vitriol and their carnage.
Truly, we get what we deserve, because we have sanctioned it or pretended not to see it.