My son gets the 85SD if he learns to work on it or has a job so he can pay someone else to work on it. If not, he gets whatever he chooses and can afford.

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85SD 240K & stopped counting painted, putting bac together. 84SD 180,000. sold to a neighbor and member here but I forget his handle. The 84 is much improved from when I had it. 85TD beginning to repair to DD status. Lots of stuff to do.