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Old 01-29-2011, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by babymog View Post
I'd like to address two points/authors:


Layback:
I agree with some of your assessment, but don't agree that it is all of the formula that was cooked into the demise of the OM603.97x. I had one. It didn't use oil, but became an organ donor for a project of mine (which is why I bought it). Didn't exhibit any "rod-bending" symptoms. However, when I tore the head off at 237,000miles, I noticed that all cylinders were scuffed significantly, along the sides radial to the wrist pins. The pistons were all level in the bores at TDC. I still have the block, just haven't found the energy to scrap it, but the point is that IMO, the design was inherently less robust than the 3.0L engine due to the longer stroke causing higher crank angles, the lower wrist pins causing still higher crank angles, and the side-forces from these two changes forcing the piston skirts against the walls (both sides BTW, not just compression or just power stroke sides). So although the lower cetain theory has merit, I believe that there are other factors, and as much as I respect your opinion I have to call you and mention that there is no supporting data that proves the cetane and timing relationship conclusively. I don't believe that you intended it to sound conclusive, but it kind of did (to me anyway). Unfortunately, there really isn't enough available data to make such a conclusion. Also, if timing and cetane were the only causes, it seems that there would be many of the 601/2/3/5/6 .5l/cylinder engines around with the same basic design that could be timed a couple of degrees early, and thus suffer the same failure mode.
Yes I agree with you mog.
Interestingly you observation of scuffing in the bore is one of the symptoms of explosive detonation of fuel. That is low CN & excessively advanced injection timing.
The exact same 350 motor was used in other parts of the world without the problem.
There was not a change to the rod length to "fix" the problem. So the angles were not the issue when it came to overcoming the problem. The same motor component dimensions have been used in other applications through out the world without the scuffing problem.
I put this thread out there as I had received some supporting information when I was recently looking at another motor with bent rods. Outside the USA there is very little known about bent rods & the 350. MB did a good job of keeping it quiet at the time.


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