Thanks Jim, Yes Have tested a number of times, I believe that it touches the bottom, if i am not careful i believe te flexible stick bends and goes across the base of the pan,which shows too much fluid. At 34 inches the stick indicates a full Auto, ( have just had it serviced at my local shop they put castrol dexron 111 in it , the auto is operating very well except for the rear seal leak) there are no marks on the stick