Doesn't really seem there is much to debate on the style to use on these cars. My OP was around specific brands of the Klann clones. I have no interest in the other styles, just don't seem to be anywhere close to safe as has been pointed out many times on here and elsewhere.

I actually ordered myself an El Paso model tonight. The billing on Ebay was from Baum Tools. I have read very good things about their unit so - cool I am hoping I'll be all set!!!!

I'd still encourage anyone who has one of these to remark on their make/model and the good or bad about it. It will really help others that come along like me and are trying to make a decision on what to add to the toolbox.