Originally Posted by cmac2012

Full time pacifism is lunacy. OTOH, our military culture has gotten a bit weird IMO. Too much glorification of it, too little openness to considering alternatives. Too much of the 'should'a turned it into a parking lot, gawd-dammit' attitude going on.

Your response here is part of that - sneering at the idea that some room for improvement exists.

Both of the murderers I mentioned were poorly served by their country. It is ultimately their responsibility though neither should have been put in that position.