Originally Posted by Stoney

For once i agree with spd.

The closeness of the population and general aggro of the metro experience makes me glad that access and carry laws are in effect. I work in many areas where safety is sometimes at a premium and have seen normal aggro go orbital in less than 30 seconds. If a gun was available, there would be a serious problem.

I haven't run into anything a 5 cell Maglite upside the head cannot handle.

The issue in most places isn't gun control it is gun owner training. 99% of the folks who pack and swagger don't spend enough time at the range to be able to hit what they aim at. I have been behind a car, ducking for cover, thanks to some 20 year old ******* who thinks he is Chow Yung Fat or Steven Sagal and busts thru a 17 round clip at his target 20 feet away and hits everything but the lottery and misses his target.

I have also seen NYPD put an armed perp down at 40 feet with a double tap. But then NYPD is required to spend time at the range each month and twice yearly on the "Dark Alley" range (similar to FBI "Shooters Alley").

NYC concieled carry requires the owner go thru NYPD Range training and monthly range time.

What is required elsewhere?